> Freda Fox, from Castlerea in Co Roscommon, died in September 2017 after losing 17 litres of blood in the operation carried out by two trainee surgeons
17? Is that correct? A woman should have 4-5 litres of blood in their body
Everyone should be aware of how long the HSE fought this case and still did not admit liability. This happened in Sept. 2017. Even when clearly at fault the HSE fights these cases very aggressively and causes undue stress and torment to the victims and their families.
How does something this egregious happen in a country supposedly as advanced and prosperous as Ireland? The HSE needs to be stripped from the inside out and rebuilt, it’s frightening living here with our health system being this horridly inept.
When I was having my first baby I was very young and very scared. I was asked to fill in a birth plan form by the hospital and I stated I did not want any trainees to do anything but watch (it was an option). I was told very haughtily ‘you’ll get what your given’.
On the day I was given 2 trainee midwives and no one more senior arrived until I was in distress 3 hours later. The matron told me to ‘stop making a fuss’ and ‘cop yourself on, it’s only a little pain’. I was high on gas and air, couldn’t communicate properly and scared of the trainees with their noses in books whispering to each other.
Never again. I’m much older now and I still won’t let a trainee so much as take my blood pressure in those situations.
I genuinely believe they gave me only trainees out of spite.
I am shocked that this is not something we see more often, given the lack of support to trainee surgeons. You would not believe how often they are left to their own devices with no guidance or support. Awful for all involved, apart from the consultant who failed everyone in that operating room.
How did they get to undertake the surgery without supervision?
No airline would allow a trainee pilot to fly a plane without a supervising captain for example.
*He said the two trainee surgeons that conducted the operation were in their second year of a fellowship at St Vincent’s and both had previous experience of conducting similar surgery.*
*“I’d never have predicted the extent of this (bleeding),” Mr Stafford said.*
*Pathologist Dr Niamh Nolan found no obvious defect in the affected blood vessel but noted Mrs Fox had undergone previous surgery and the gall bladder was removed.*
What became of the scoliosis kids with the dodgy surgery screws, is anyone following up on anything? 🤔
“two trainees”
Assuming they mean 2 surgeons. Im I wrong in thinking these for one, its probably normal for a senior surgeon to be present with Junior doctors? & also these “trainees” would still have had near a decade of experince?
I got downvoted for pointing out how unsafe the HSE is. N o one would believe me and everyone kept saying how it’s the best healthcare etc
I frequently watch surgeries because I’m a medical student. It’s the trainee that’s doing the surgery. Something which I found really odd. The consultant won’t even be in the room….
They also frequently change during the surgery? Like one trainee leaves, another comes in to continue, but they don’t even know the case as well we the other trainee
So shocking for me.
And I’m really upset this happened, but I’m not surprised
Edit: I’m not from Ireland so it was a shock because Back home it is protocol and mandatory for the consultant to supervise and watch
My mates mom was in tralee gen with cancer. She did not die of cancer. She died because a trainee neglected to look at her chart at the bottom of her bed and gave her the wrong blood type
Many people with autism/adhd have cases against the hse for mistreatment and misdiagnosed
Sure, we have things like disability allowance and medical cards. But what good is that when our own healthcare is killing us
It’s a pretty specialist procedure as far as Irish Hospitals go, where I work we refer patients needing a Whipple to St. Vincent’s.
I’m sure it’s considerably more routine for them but still very surprising the consultant wasn’t at least in the department on his theatre day, or at the very least one of his consultant colleagues.
Utterly disgraceful and it’s terrible how aggressively the HSE try to fight these cases putting so much stress on the families.
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> Freda Fox, from Castlerea in Co Roscommon, died in September 2017 after losing 17 litres of blood in the operation carried out by two trainee surgeons
17? Is that correct? A woman should have 4-5 litres of blood in their body
Everyone should be aware of how long the HSE fought this case and still did not admit liability. This happened in Sept. 2017. Even when clearly at fault the HSE fights these cases very aggressively and causes undue stress and torment to the victims and their families.
How does something this egregious happen in a country supposedly as advanced and prosperous as Ireland? The HSE needs to be stripped from the inside out and rebuilt, it’s frightening living here with our health system being this horridly inept.
When I was having my first baby I was very young and very scared. I was asked to fill in a birth plan form by the hospital and I stated I did not want any trainees to do anything but watch (it was an option). I was told very haughtily ‘you’ll get what your given’.
On the day I was given 2 trainee midwives and no one more senior arrived until I was in distress 3 hours later. The matron told me to ‘stop making a fuss’ and ‘cop yourself on, it’s only a little pain’. I was high on gas and air, couldn’t communicate properly and scared of the trainees with their noses in books whispering to each other.
Never again. I’m much older now and I still won’t let a trainee so much as take my blood pressure in those situations.
I genuinely believe they gave me only trainees out of spite.
I am shocked that this is not something we see more often, given the lack of support to trainee surgeons. You would not believe how often they are left to their own devices with no guidance or support. Awful for all involved, apart from the consultant who failed everyone in that operating room.
How did they get to undertake the surgery without supervision?
No airline would allow a trainee pilot to fly a plane without a supervising captain for example.
This article is a bit more measured:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30929180.html
*He said the two trainee surgeons that conducted the operation were in their second year of a fellowship at St Vincent’s and both had previous experience of conducting similar surgery.*
*“I’d never have predicted the extent of this (bleeding),” Mr Stafford said.*
*Pathologist Dr Niamh Nolan found no obvious defect in the affected blood vessel but noted Mrs Fox had undergone previous surgery and the gall bladder was removed.*
What became of the scoliosis kids with the dodgy surgery screws, is anyone following up on anything? 🤔
“two trainees”
Assuming they mean 2 surgeons. Im I wrong in thinking these for one, its probably normal for a senior surgeon to be present with Junior doctors? & also these “trainees” would still have had near a decade of experince?
I got downvoted for pointing out how unsafe the HSE is. N o one would believe me and everyone kept saying how it’s the best healthcare etc
I frequently watch surgeries because I’m a medical student. It’s the trainee that’s doing the surgery. Something which I found really odd. The consultant won’t even be in the room….
They also frequently change during the surgery? Like one trainee leaves, another comes in to continue, but they don’t even know the case as well we the other trainee
So shocking for me.
And I’m really upset this happened, but I’m not surprised
Edit: I’m not from Ireland so it was a shock because Back home it is protocol and mandatory for the consultant to supervise and watch
My mates mom was in tralee gen with cancer. She did not die of cancer. She died because a trainee neglected to look at her chart at the bottom of her bed and gave her the wrong blood type
Many people with autism/adhd have cases against the hse for mistreatment and misdiagnosed
Sure, we have things like disability allowance and medical cards. But what good is that when our own healthcare is killing us
It’s a pretty specialist procedure as far as Irish Hospitals go, where I work we refer patients needing a Whipple to St. Vincent’s.
I’m sure it’s considerably more routine for them but still very surprising the consultant wasn’t at least in the department on his theatre day, or at the very least one of his consultant colleagues.
Utterly disgraceful and it’s terrible how aggressively the HSE try to fight these cases putting so much stress on the families.