Does seem like China’s population has peaked. Those 0-4 births are disastrous. With their current real estate problems, foreign tariffs, and declining population, it’s not looking good for their economy.Â
China is set to half their population by 2100. Some say half by 2070.
Why does everyone insist on dramatic verbiage to describe a common or expected pattern?
Nations rapidly develop, peoples lives generally get better and longer, life also gets more expensive, birthrate declines. Also a couple of decades of ‘one child’ policy and…..
Is it actually ‘alarming’?
I wonder which one will get hit harder in the future. Other countries with a demographic like this are rich first world countries. Or they can rely on immigration to dampen the problem. China and India are too big for this, there are not enough people un the world willing to emigrate to make this solution practical for them. Neither now nor in the future
China’s pyramid is just completely fucked up. Things are going to get really bad in 10 years when people in their 50s start to retire. Late 30s won’t be good for China.
At least India’s pyramid looks pretty natural, so they will be in a better position to handle demographic problems later on.
Why India’s population is so smooth? It almost looks like someone was tasked to draw population dome from memory
Anyone knows what are the causes of those strange peaks in China’s demographic?
India has an almost perfect population pyramid, for growth
Love the chart, but one nitpick.
It has male/female numbers separated, but going away from each other. So they give you the two values in a way, but you can’t really visually compare them other than by ‘feel.’
China is crashing hard and this is part of it. I get that development is higher in Eastern big city China and so they are having some of the same pressure as older developed nations but their pyramid is still unusually wack and Xi cannot figure out that waging hybrid war forces divestment of the republics from China and utterly dooms the Chinese economy and it’s creaky systems. Of course India’s even worse systems may continue to ensure they never really take off as China did.
The Chinese youth unemployment rate is. Wow. Has been for a while now. Americans who dont follow China have no idea what kinda issues they have.
Lemme guess what happened in the past couple years. Evergrand disappeared and took of with so many peoples money. Banks just up and disappeared with people savings. So many factories closed due to job migration and a decrease in exports. Yet their gov acts like its just a normal Tuesday. No justice for the Chinese populace, just more pain and suffering. They are expected to raise children in poverty. Nice. India on the other has had an increase in Jobs due to factories migrating from China.
It’s not alarming. What’s alarming is China and India have 1.4 BILLION people EACH. For a total of 2.8 billion people. They have plenty of people, even if some are aging.
This isn’t the worst thing for developing nations. Governments need long term plans for demographic changes, including funding for retirement (which China has essentially none of), liberalization of immigration (also a challenge), but it can be a net positive.
Nothing alarming here. Less is more.
The male preference is strong in China. 4 million difference between males and females for ages 0-4. That is really going to hurt in 20 years when their birth rate is soft capped and they have a huge elderly population.Â
Why does india has so much more male than female?
While architectural style has little to do with demographic destiny, it’s kind of peculiar that China’s chart looks vaguely like the top of a pagoda while India’s has a classic onion dome shape.
Growth is important for growth… but what does a stable sustainable population look like?
People call it a problem, but isn’t only a problem for a society built explicitly *for growth*
We also are aware of the problems growing population creates…
I look at that 50-54 and 55-59 group about to hit retirement while the 5-9 and 10-14 group entering the work force won’t be nearly as big. That will be the challenge of the 2030s for China.
If anyone’s interested in comparing the population pyramids of other countries, [this site has charts for all of them](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2024/). (Links to each country on the right hand side of the screen, via each letter of the alphabet.)
There is a big cultural problem due to one child policy in China which people don’t look at.
Most people don’t have siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins etc. Their family system is in a weird place right now. The singular child in the family has huge burden to succeed in the already cutthroat chinese education system. Parents become overprotective of their single child, not allowing them high risk jobs like military etc.
These aspects are never discussed when discussing china. All we discuss is jobs and productivity.
India looks like the main dome on the Taj Mahal
Isn’t India’s a lot more concerning?
Alarming? Alarmingly wonderful. Massive population reduction is the only feasible goal for saving nature and the planet.
That looks like a nation doomed to fail horribly in the near future.
Data not beautiful. It only shows a single year not a comparison so it’s not actually showing a decline
![[OC] China vs. India: 2023 Population Pyramids](https://www.europesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/w0pjdo8dtu4e1-1920x1024.png)
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Source:https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2023/; https://www.populationpyramid.net/india/2023/
Tools: Figma
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This is recasting UN estimates, correct?
https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/files/documents/2024/Jul/wpp2024_summary_of_results_final_web.pdf
Does seem like China’s population has peaked. Those 0-4 births are disastrous. With their current real estate problems, foreign tariffs, and declining population, it’s not looking good for their economy.Â
China is set to half their population by 2100. Some say half by 2070.
Why does everyone insist on dramatic verbiage to describe a common or expected pattern?
Nations rapidly develop, peoples lives generally get better and longer, life also gets more expensive, birthrate declines. Also a couple of decades of ‘one child’ policy and…..
Is it actually ‘alarming’?
I wonder which one will get hit harder in the future. Other countries with a demographic like this are rich first world countries. Or they can rely on immigration to dampen the problem. China and India are too big for this, there are not enough people un the world willing to emigrate to make this solution practical for them. Neither now nor in the future
China’s pyramid is just completely fucked up. Things are going to get really bad in 10 years when people in their 50s start to retire. Late 30s won’t be good for China.
At least India’s pyramid looks pretty natural, so they will be in a better position to handle demographic problems later on.
Why India’s population is so smooth? It almost looks like someone was tasked to draw population dome from memory
Anyone knows what are the causes of those strange peaks in China’s demographic?
India has an almost perfect population pyramid, for growth
Love the chart, but one nitpick.
It has male/female numbers separated, but going away from each other. So they give you the two values in a way, but you can’t really visually compare them other than by ‘feel.’
China is crashing hard and this is part of it. I get that development is higher in Eastern big city China and so they are having some of the same pressure as older developed nations but their pyramid is still unusually wack and Xi cannot figure out that waging hybrid war forces divestment of the republics from China and utterly dooms the Chinese economy and it’s creaky systems. Of course India’s even worse systems may continue to ensure they never really take off as China did.
The Chinese youth unemployment rate is. Wow. Has been for a while now. Americans who dont follow China have no idea what kinda issues they have.
Lemme guess what happened in the past couple years. Evergrand disappeared and took of with so many peoples money. Banks just up and disappeared with people savings. So many factories closed due to job migration and a decrease in exports. Yet their gov acts like its just a normal Tuesday. No justice for the Chinese populace, just more pain and suffering. They are expected to raise children in poverty. Nice. India on the other has had an increase in Jobs due to factories migrating from China.
It’s not alarming. What’s alarming is China and India have 1.4 BILLION people EACH. For a total of 2.8 billion people. They have plenty of people, even if some are aging.
This isn’t the worst thing for developing nations. Governments need long term plans for demographic changes, including funding for retirement (which China has essentially none of), liberalization of immigration (also a challenge), but it can be a net positive.
Nothing alarming here. Less is more.
The male preference is strong in China. 4 million difference between males and females for ages 0-4. That is really going to hurt in 20 years when their birth rate is soft capped and they have a huge elderly population.Â
Why does india has so much more male than female?
While architectural style has little to do with demographic destiny, it’s kind of peculiar that China’s chart looks vaguely like the top of a pagoda while India’s has a classic onion dome shape.
Growth is important for growth… but what does a stable sustainable population look like?
People call it a problem, but isn’t only a problem for a society built explicitly *for growth*
We also are aware of the problems growing population creates…
I look at that 50-54 and 55-59 group about to hit retirement while the 5-9 and 10-14 group entering the work force won’t be nearly as big. That will be the challenge of the 2030s for China.
If anyone’s interested in comparing the population pyramids of other countries, [this site has charts for all of them](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2024/). (Links to each country on the right hand side of the screen, via each letter of the alphabet.)
There is a big cultural problem due to one child policy in China which people don’t look at.
Most people don’t have siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins etc. Their family system is in a weird place right now. The singular child in the family has huge burden to succeed in the already cutthroat chinese education system. Parents become overprotective of their single child, not allowing them high risk jobs like military etc.
These aspects are never discussed when discussing china. All we discuss is jobs and productivity.
India looks like the main dome on the Taj Mahal
Isn’t India’s a lot more concerning?
Alarming? Alarmingly wonderful. Massive population reduction is the only feasible goal for saving nature and the planet.
That looks like a nation doomed to fail horribly in the near future.
Data not beautiful. It only shows a single year not a comparison so it’s not actually showing a decline
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