Consultation launched over petrol and diesel car phase-out. The ban on UK sales of these vehicles had been extended to 2035 under the previous Conservative government but Labour said it would restore the 2030 deadline in its election manifesto.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no
Posted by Make_the_music_stop
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2035 is already completely insane and unachievable, anyone with a pair of eyes can see that. People don’t want expensive electric cars that can only go 200 miles a time. If they insist on 2030 then they’re going to be effectively banning large sections of society from owning personal transportation.
That will result in so many job cuts and the cost to build and convert to all electric is going to be a massive waste in my opinion.
Are hybrids going to be banned as well?
Excellent. About time this country starting working towards something instead of just looking backwards all the time.
Anyone with any real knowledge of the industry and issues with existing infrastructure knows that 2030 or 2035 are both stupid, unrealistic targets.
But sure let’s just continue to make ourselves poorer so we can virtue signal about being ‘green’.
You can not legislate a market demand into existence.
EVs are not the answer, long term, for all personal transport.
An outright ban on new ICE sales will damage the economy and alienate anyone who lives outside a city.
Public infrastructure, including public transport, has to be able to accommodate frequent automated 24/7 affordable transport between population centres. Until that is available we will see ICE transport, and cars, as an essential part of our economy. The emissions are negligible on the global scale too.
I have an ev and never have a problem with distance. I get about 150 miles per full battery. You just plan a journey as you do with a petrol car. I can go from empty to full in about 45 minutes. Evs are great fun to drive and really easy too.
Apparently achievable or not if you don’t put a hard limit on something that needs to happen, all that will happen is car manufacturers and grid operators will drag their feet and not do it, because it is far more attractive to pay out shareholders than invest in infrastructure and R&D, especially if there is no pressure on competitors to do the same.
Every technological leap we’ve ever made had a forcing function, every period of malaise was down to a lack of that forcing function. We wouldn’t have widespread EFI without high oil prices and emissions regulations, for example – that tech came out in in a car in 1951 but it wasn’t mainstream until the 90s.
Go take a look at car safety for one thing, take a look just a few years back at the safety spec levels of the same models sold in developed vs. developing nations – airbags and active safety saves lives, but in places it’s not mandated its cheaper to let a few more people die than sell fewer cars for higher prices or smaller margins. Industry can’t be trusted to be hard on themselves to do the right thing.
Right now the people with the forcing function is China – their trade routes are vulnerable and their demand is intense, so they’re leaning in to EVs and renewables. European manufacturers have the option of either lobbying government and the voting public to push back necessary change, or to catch up to the people doing what they’re saying is impossible. So far they’re predictably picking the former.
TL;DR – any vote to soften the ICE ban is a vote to redirect R&D and infrastructure spending to profits and leave us all worse off.
I wanted to go hybrid but firstly I live in an apartment so charging is £0.98/kwh because fuck you
Secondly my insurance was £1986 for a hybrid Leon
Landed up with a 2L Audi 4 avant costing me £800~ a year insurance
Someone make it make sense
All this will do is make become like Cuba with Peteol/Diesel Cars. I have an EV and really enjoy driving it, but I wouldn’t buy one, they are impossible to maintain yourself and require grotesque amounts of human suffering to mine the minerals to make them. The fact the world have been in deficit with Lithium mining for years and will never be able to replace even the uk’s fleat of cars with EVs let alone the world.
It would be far better for the environment to focus more on producing cleaner fuels from renewable resources and that will better allow us to keep our existing fleats going as the pollution generated building a new EV with be far greater than an existing combustion engine with emit of we instead kept driving our existing vehicles
And Elon musk doesn’t have any influence in British politics 🙄
Is the proposed ban just on sales of new cars or does that include second hand sales?
Moving back to 2030 is a mistake.
Charging infrastructure is a pretty solvable problem. I don’t know what the solution will be, but it doesn’t require any breakthroughs. Create the demand, and it will appear.
Can’t wait for more climate change and more migrants due to our inability to focus on sustainability.
Can’t ever make a tough decision or sacrifice, we’re shortsighted and the generations after us will inherit an utter fucked planet.
We can’t harm the economy but we can harm the environment we instead
Charging infrastructure won’t be ready. End of story.
Try making electric vehicles cheaper and more reliable than petrol and diesel ones.
That way, you won’t need to ‘ban’ them – people will choose to reject them for economic reasons and they will therefore be phased out naturally.
Banning them implies that they will always be superior to EVs and therefore the only way to get people to switch is by force, which…isn’t a very thought out strategy.
Stupid idea. There are streets where people cannot park outside their house. Landlords aren’t going to install chargers. The electrical supply network will not support it. Car parks literally will not take the weight of battery cars. EVs are shit technology, synthetic fuel is a much more sensible idea.
When are the police planning on going EV only?
Be interesting to see once ICE are banned for good if a few ICE owners rebel and have “range chases” where all they need to do to get away is outlast the police EV batteries, which will delete rapidly at speed
The real problems which people seem to be ignoring is not even the less range from Electric vehicles it is the ability to charge at home if you can’t do that then is is just as expensive as an ICE vehicle and even more inconvenient having to wait 30mins to an hour to top up the battery to get home.
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