I think we’ve come to the point where the hard drives of our entire judiciary could do with checking.
> You may be susceptible to treatment and this is best given in the community and not prison
Or prison and then treatment? Hardly facing any punishment if he’s already out of work for 8 years
“He made admissions of guilt to officers and told them he “wasn’t going to follow through with things” out of fear of getting caught.”
Fear of getting caught – not because he knew it was wrong to molest a very young child. The judge is a prick, the sentencing guidelines are a joke and our whole judicial system is absurd.
Another case of “pass me the birch”
Put on a list
30 anti-pedo lessons
25 shifts of unpaid work
Pay £750
If he commits a crime for the next two years he goes to prison and if he doesn’t follow the above requirements he goes to prison.
I’m all for community sentences for people who start a fight in a pub or someone who shoplifts but this guy isn’t safe to be free. They have their uses but this takes the piss and means the public has no trust the justice system is working.
I’m going to have to read the sentencing explanation…
Edit: there’s nothing else online about the case.
However if we assume that he was convicted of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity then we can look at why he was sentenced like this according to the sentencing guidelines.
This has a sentencing range of 4-10 years custody and a starting point of 5 years custody. Mitigating factors like Julian Smith’s lack of criminal history, ‘mental health problems’, immediate admission of guilt, remorse and the fact the child didn’t exist will have been taken in to account, as well as the judgement that he has good prospects for ‘rehabilitation’ will have been taken in to account. Sentencing guidelines suggest a downwards adjustment for the fact the child doesn’t exist, and allow for the judge to make further downwards adjustments based on other mitigating factors. Additionally, his immediate guilty plea will have a significant impact on his sentence.
So the judge has taken the 5 years starting point and adjusted it down by (say) 1.5 years to 3.5 years for the immediate guilty plea and remorse, and further down due to other mitigating circumstances. The judge also has in mind that the maximum suspended sentences is 2 years while making these adjustments. Going outside of the sentencing range requires good reason and, if this crime is what Julian Smith was found guilty of, the judge apparently thinks all of these mitigating circumstances apply.
The sentencing guidelines say ‘custody’ for 4-10 years, however a suspended sentence order (SSO) is technically counted as custody served in the community. The SSO also comes with ‘requirements’ which are drawn from a list of 15 (12? 13?) and include his RAR, unpaid work, rehabilitation. So, in all these circumstances, that’s an approximation of how the judge decided on this seemingly lenient-for-the-crime sentence.
Julian Smith will serve his ‘operational period’ of two years and then spend a few months following those requirements during the ‘supervision period’.
I may not like it but there you go, that’s how he would have got that sentence if I’ve got the crime right.
A guy got 7 years for telling people to riot. How are those convicted of one of the worst crimes imaginable not getting sent to prison. The justice system accepts pedophiles and is enabling abuse
Julian Smith, 54
WHY!!! Then go on social media and get arrested for some crappy, meaningless comment? Mental
Surprise, surprise. Another nonce walks free!
God why do I feel like I’m gonna see this piece of sh*t back in the news in a couple of years..
2 tier policing for white men.
But tweet naughty words..
The sick bastard should have been thrown in prison. What bs.
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It’s taking the piss now.
I think we’ve come to the point where the hard drives of our entire judiciary could do with checking.
> You may be susceptible to treatment and this is best given in the community and not prison
Or prison and then treatment? Hardly facing any punishment if he’s already out of work for 8 years
“He made admissions of guilt to officers and told them he “wasn’t going to follow through with things” out of fear of getting caught.”
Fear of getting caught – not because he knew it was wrong to molest a very young child. The judge is a prick, the sentencing guidelines are a joke and our whole judicial system is absurd.
Another case of “pass me the birch”
Put on a list
30 anti-pedo lessons
25 shifts of unpaid work
Pay £750
If he commits a crime for the next two years he goes to prison and if he doesn’t follow the above requirements he goes to prison.
I’m all for community sentences for people who start a fight in a pub or someone who shoplifts but this guy isn’t safe to be free. They have their uses but this takes the piss and means the public has no trust the justice system is working.
I’m going to have to read the sentencing explanation…
Edit: there’s nothing else online about the case.
However if we assume that he was convicted of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity then we can look at why he was sentenced like this according to the sentencing guidelines.
The guidelines are available on the [sentencing council’s website](https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/sexual-activity-with-a-child/) and suggest he would be category 1 for harm (given the specific mention or oral sex) and category a for culpability.
This has a sentencing range of 4-10 years custody and a starting point of 5 years custody. Mitigating factors like Julian Smith’s lack of criminal history, ‘mental health problems’, immediate admission of guilt, remorse and the fact the child didn’t exist will have been taken in to account, as well as the judgement that he has good prospects for ‘rehabilitation’ will have been taken in to account. Sentencing guidelines suggest a downwards adjustment for the fact the child doesn’t exist, and allow for the judge to make further downwards adjustments based on other mitigating factors. Additionally, his immediate guilty plea will have a significant impact on his sentence.
So the judge has taken the 5 years starting point and adjusted it down by (say) 1.5 years to 3.5 years for the immediate guilty plea and remorse, and further down due to other mitigating circumstances. The judge also has in mind that the maximum suspended sentences is 2 years while making these adjustments. Going outside of the sentencing range requires good reason and, if this crime is what Julian Smith was found guilty of, the judge apparently thinks all of these mitigating circumstances apply.
The sentencing guidelines say ‘custody’ for 4-10 years, however a suspended sentence order (SSO) is technically counted as custody served in the community. The SSO also comes with ‘requirements’ which are drawn from a list of 15 (12? 13?) and include his RAR, unpaid work, rehabilitation. So, in all these circumstances, that’s an approximation of how the judge decided on this seemingly lenient-for-the-crime sentence.
Julian Smith will serve his ‘operational period’ of two years and then spend a few months following those requirements during the ‘supervision period’.
I may not like it but there you go, that’s how he would have got that sentence if I’ve got the crime right.
A guy got 7 years for telling people to riot. How are those convicted of one of the worst crimes imaginable not getting sent to prison. The justice system accepts pedophiles and is enabling abuse
Julian Smith, 54
WHY!!! Then go on social media and get arrested for some crappy, meaningless comment? Mental
Surprise, surprise. Another nonce walks free!
God why do I feel like I’m gonna see this piece of sh*t back in the news in a couple of years..
2 tier policing for white men.
But tweet naughty words..
The sick bastard should have been thrown in prison. What bs.
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