Ukraine will have to cede land for peace, Marco Rubio tells Zelensky

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  1. Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said that Ukraine will have to give up land seized by Russia as part of any peace deal as he flew to Saudi Arabia for make-or-break talks.

    President Zelensky of Ukraine arrived in Jeddah on Monday before talks aimed at reviving Kyiv’s fractured relationship with Washington and persuading President Trump of a means to end the war with Russia without Ukraine’s all-out surrender.

    At high-level talks in the Saudi coastal city on Tuesday, Ukraine is expected to lay out its proposal for a sea and air truce as an opening gambit in its pursuit of an equitable peace with Russia

  2. I dont think the issue is the ceding of land, but the security guarantees after the peace deal.

  4. I mean, unpopular and unfair but its still true.

    The sooner he accepts this the better for Ukraine

  5. Give up conquered land to Russia, and unconquered land to US and Russia. What a peace deal.

  7. Ok, so far US has made it clear no nato, must cede land, no us guarantee etc etc

    So, what does Russia have to do?

  8. This sucks. People who have the opinion that “the reality is that Ukraina was never going to win and it has to give up territory blablabla” suck.

  9. Appeasement will not work. There’s no way Putin will stop there and the US admin knows this.

  13. Would Russia trade sanctions relief for non-US security guarantees? Something like this:

    1. Russia keeps occupied territories, but not the full extent of the annexed land.
    2. Russia sanctions relief.
    3. Ukraine receives security guarantee from a coalition of the willing (France, UK, Poland etc.) who deploy troops into the country.

  15. The US is acting on Russia’s behalf so that Donald Trump and his cohorts like Elon Musk will be able to do business in the Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories through rare earth mineral extraction.

  16. If Ukraine codes territory to Russia, the US will invade Greenland. This cannot be normalised.

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