This is even dumber than Brexit, but I’m not surprised
Sounds great on paper
Jesus Christ.
We should at least consider EFTA before building customs tolls at every border crossing between eengland and Wales.
I also think we should consider annexing Birmingham…
Something that puts me off about the independence argument is the final question about Wales joining the EU and England staying out potentially creating a land border and this is the response:
>this bogeyman of a hard border. It doesn’t have to be that way at all. There can be a soft border. People travel to work and with family connections every day between Wales and England, and there’s no reason to suppose that would change in any way at all. It’s not a real problem at all.
This is not an answer to the question. This is basically saying “this isn’t a problem now and will continue to not be a problem”. We heard a lot of that before Brexit (project fear, they called it) and it turned out they were problems after all. They need more serious answers than this.
Absolute fantasist nonsense.
If it ever happened this way (and I doubt it would), Scotland would almost certainly have had to go first – or just possibly at the same time. England would find itself isolated, and pretty much forced to join the single market and customs union, along with freedom of movement.
I say “forced” – I think more likely they’d be grateful for the excuse right now, because they seem to have become so tied up in red lines they don’t seem able to do what they know is the right thing.
A majority, if you take all the “i dont know” answers out of the survey, otherwise it’s actually a definite minority.
Let’s do it then
Funny, as yesterday the same site claimed pro-independence was 41% IF you ignored the unsure category
It’s not really independence then is it?
Its great in theory.. but given how the EU reacted to Scotlands tentative talks about joining the EU and them being shot down, I can’t imagine they’d take Wales.
A hard land border between England and Wales would be terrible. Cutting off your largest trading partner to join a union you’re not even connected too while simultaneously removing yourself from one you are.
Please just go
I’d move to Wales if it joined the EU! 🙂
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The current thing is not working with Westminster for Wales but there is literally not chance on earth the EU would let a country with similar gdp per capita as the likes of Latvia and Hungary, awful demographics and the liabilities of universal healthcare and pensions without westminster in its trading bloc and liable for bail outs. It would be the definition of economic suicide to even consider it, however maybe westminster needs to fear of it happening for them to actually look after Wales.
I would like to give it a go out of the EU first.
I fucking would not and I literally don’t know more than a few nationalists that would. What a load of bollocks!
I would back it if I felt confident in our government.
Would be fun to have to go through border control twice every time I took a train from north to south Wales
Same fantasy with the Scottish independence claims it would be easy to join the EU after leaving UK.
It would absolutely not. Countries like Spain and Belgium would never allow it because that would embolden and add fuel to their own independent movements.
Forget it.
& end up like Ireland drowning in immigration.. forced by the EU.
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This is even dumber than Brexit, but I’m not surprised
Sounds great on paper
Jesus Christ.
We should at least consider EFTA before building customs tolls at every border crossing between eengland and Wales.
I also think we should consider annexing Birmingham…
Something that puts me off about the independence argument is the final question about Wales joining the EU and England staying out potentially creating a land border and this is the response:
>this bogeyman of a hard border. It doesn’t have to be that way at all. There can be a soft border. People travel to work and with family connections every day between Wales and England, and there’s no reason to suppose that would change in any way at all. It’s not a real problem at all.
This is not an answer to the question. This is basically saying “this isn’t a problem now and will continue to not be a problem”. We heard a lot of that before Brexit (project fear, they called it) and it turned out they were problems after all. They need more serious answers than this.
Absolute fantasist nonsense.
If it ever happened this way (and I doubt it would), Scotland would almost certainly have had to go first – or just possibly at the same time. England would find itself isolated, and pretty much forced to join the single market and customs union, along with freedom of movement.
I say “forced” – I think more likely they’d be grateful for the excuse right now, because they seem to have become so tied up in red lines they don’t seem able to do what they know is the right thing.
A majority, if you take all the “i dont know” answers out of the survey, otherwise it’s actually a definite minority.
Let’s do it then
Funny, as yesterday the same site claimed pro-independence was 41% IF you ignored the unsure category
It’s not really independence then is it?
Its great in theory.. but given how the EU reacted to Scotlands tentative talks about joining the EU and them being shot down, I can’t imagine they’d take Wales.
A hard land border between England and Wales would be terrible. Cutting off your largest trading partner to join a union you’re not even connected too while simultaneously removing yourself from one you are.
Please just go
I’d move to Wales if it joined the EU! 🙂
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The current thing is not working with Westminster for Wales but there is literally not chance on earth the EU would let a country with similar gdp per capita as the likes of Latvia and Hungary, awful demographics and the liabilities of universal healthcare and pensions without westminster in its trading bloc and liable for bail outs. It would be the definition of economic suicide to even consider it, however maybe westminster needs to fear of it happening for them to actually look after Wales.
I would like to give it a go out of the EU first.
I fucking would not and I literally don’t know more than a few nationalists that would. What a load of bollocks!
I would back it if I felt confident in our government.
Would be fun to have to go through border control twice every time I took a train from north to south Wales
Same fantasy with the Scottish independence claims it would be easy to join the EU after leaving UK.
It would absolutely not. Countries like Spain and Belgium would never allow it because that would embolden and add fuel to their own independent movements.
Forget it.
& end up like Ireland drowning in immigration.. forced by the EU.
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