Not a fan of Fraser, but he is right here. It’s almost impossible to see how NHS Fife can win in light of the SC ruling.
Total waste of public money for them to keep fighting.
“The Scottish Government acted in good faith in our interpretation of both the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2010”
It’s honestly hard to believe that is true. It always felt like the SNP were setting this up for a confrontation with the UK government, and were expecting to win and/or use the loss to claim victimisation
Good for Sandie Peggie, she is likely to get a substantial settlement out of this.
She raised her concerns to being uncomfortable , was ignored by her bosses and challenged the system
Why now? I would have thought a ruling from the other day doesn’t change the considerations and processes of a court case that has already commenced and relates to activity from months ago.
I wish this was being decided in isolation and not in terms of a greater campaign to target, harass, abuse etc trans people. Looking at the outcome from the supreme court case while I can’t disagree with what they actually said the reporting of it seems very different and some horrendous people are celebrating.
I really hope Westminster recognises that the laws need changed and do it quickly.
Isn’t the gender debate kind of secondary in this case? It’s more of a bullying case which she has admitted to. That’s been my interpretation of it all anyway
This non issue all started with emotionally constipated incel alt-right man-children deciding to pick on trans women because they make easy targets.
The ~~bigot~~ nurse in question, if she was genuine or not at all ill-informed would have more issues with trans men in “female spaces” given that trans men look like men. The very same testosterone which drives aggression and libido in humans. But like all bigots the target is trans women because they’re perceived as weaker, ironically in the same fashion as women.
Told by who exactly?! Oh. Turdo Fraser. What an unelected Unionist prick he is. He has been very quiet recently – I wonder why?!
It would be wrong to concede, as NHS Fife were following Scot Gov legal interpretation at that time. So they were not wrong at all.
If it were now? Then it would still be debatable because they have not yet issued any updated guidance post verdict, so it still wouldn’t be technically wrong.
However, in lieu of no updated guidance, they’re going to need to install cubicles in changing rooms across the estate, which is going to negatively impact spending. Plus that new super hospital that hasn’t been built yet (In Motherwell?) is now going to have to have their plans altered to incorporate this change and also attract additional cost.
Thanks For Women Scotland, you’ve seriously caused a negative impact on NHS spending and treatment for people who need it. Well done.
Can someone please correct me if I’m wrong( actually happy to have a discussion on this, please keep the bigot/TERF foaming at bay )
I picked this up from another comment and feel pretty much this is the crux of the issue
There is a statutory requirement for single sex spaces. Particularly in changing rooms etc. If a company refuses to provide single sex toilets, while not strictly required, there is a high likelihood they would face a discrimination tribunal, which they would lose?
Hope this witch is enjoying her 15 minutes
They were even going to lose before the ruling , the doctor didn’t even have a GRC
Just how much political pressure is being exerted on London right now for them to be going this hard against trans rights? Is this the work of Russian money or the Trump admin?
If the case was only about gender identity, yes. But it was about more than that.
As a queer woman, I look forward to being harassed and targeted at my workplace because some homophobic asshole is “uncomfortable” sharing a changing room with a lesbian.
It hasn’t been that long since gay people were the target du jour and were accused of being predators and “not real women.”
The acceptance we now enjoy was hard fought for, as are trans rights, but this is a reminder that right-wing elements can whip up a frenzy to roll these back.
My full love and support goes out to my trans sisters and brothers. We are inextricably linked.
It sounds like the nurse was abusive to a colleague. Irrespective of whether that colleague is legally male or female, that’s unacceptable and still actionable.
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Not a fan of Fraser, but he is right here. It’s almost impossible to see how NHS Fife can win in light of the SC ruling.
Total waste of public money for them to keep fighting.
“The Scottish Government acted in good faith in our interpretation of both the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2010”
It’s honestly hard to believe that is true. It always felt like the SNP were setting this up for a confrontation with the UK government, and were expecting to win and/or use the loss to claim victimisation
Good for Sandie Peggie, she is likely to get a substantial settlement out of this.
She raised her concerns to being uncomfortable , was ignored by her bosses and challenged the system
Why now? I would have thought a ruling from the other day doesn’t change the considerations and processes of a court case that has already commenced and relates to activity from months ago.
I wish this was being decided in isolation and not in terms of a greater campaign to target, harass, abuse etc trans people. Looking at the outcome from the supreme court case while I can’t disagree with what they actually said the reporting of it seems very different and some horrendous people are celebrating.
I really hope Westminster recognises that the laws need changed and do it quickly.
Isn’t the gender debate kind of secondary in this case? It’s more of a bullying case which she has admitted to. That’s been my interpretation of it all anyway
This non issue all started with emotionally constipated incel alt-right man-children deciding to pick on trans women because they make easy targets.
The ~~bigot~~ nurse in question, if she was genuine or not at all ill-informed would have more issues with trans men in “female spaces” given that trans men look like men. The very same testosterone which drives aggression and libido in humans. But like all bigots the target is trans women because they’re perceived as weaker, ironically in the same fashion as women.
Told by who exactly?! Oh. Turdo Fraser. What an unelected Unionist prick he is. He has been very quiet recently – I wonder why?!
It would be wrong to concede, as NHS Fife were following Scot Gov legal interpretation at that time. So they were not wrong at all.
If it were now? Then it would still be debatable because they have not yet issued any updated guidance post verdict, so it still wouldn’t be technically wrong.
However, in lieu of no updated guidance, they’re going to need to install cubicles in changing rooms across the estate, which is going to negatively impact spending. Plus that new super hospital that hasn’t been built yet (In Motherwell?) is now going to have to have their plans altered to incorporate this change and also attract additional cost.
Thanks For Women Scotland, you’ve seriously caused a negative impact on NHS spending and treatment for people who need it. Well done.
Can someone please correct me if I’m wrong( actually happy to have a discussion on this, please keep the bigot/TERF foaming at bay )
I picked this up from another comment and feel pretty much this is the crux of the issue
There is a statutory requirement for single sex spaces. Particularly in changing rooms etc. If a company refuses to provide single sex toilets, while not strictly required, there is a high likelihood they would face a discrimination tribunal, which they would lose?
Hope this witch is enjoying her 15 minutes
They were even going to lose before the ruling , the doctor didn’t even have a GRC
Just how much political pressure is being exerted on London right now for them to be going this hard against trans rights? Is this the work of Russian money or the Trump admin?
If the case was only about gender identity, yes. But it was about more than that.
As a queer woman, I look forward to being harassed and targeted at my workplace because some homophobic asshole is “uncomfortable” sharing a changing room with a lesbian.
It hasn’t been that long since gay people were the target du jour and were accused of being predators and “not real women.”
The acceptance we now enjoy was hard fought for, as are trans rights, but this is a reminder that right-wing elements can whip up a frenzy to roll these back.
My full love and support goes out to my trans sisters and brothers. We are inextricably linked.
It sounds like the nurse was abusive to a colleague. Irrespective of whether that colleague is legally male or female, that’s unacceptable and still actionable.
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