What people are taking issue with is envoking Enouch fucking Powell doing it
Let’s face it, there’s plenty of stuff you can call the current government out for, especially their “pro growth” agenda lol. But this shouldn’t really be controversial since it’s what the Tories kept promising and then Starmer kept promising. Whether we actually see much put in place and acted upon is another matter though, no UK government in my lifetime has been particularly good at getting the things they want done even with public support.
finally! a way i can explain it to my reform/conservative friends
To be fair to the Right Wing, they’re thick as shit.
He has U turned on his nationalisation promises though.
Nah he’s just a spineless liar who’s do anything to win except for any view/policy that is left wing
Immigration needs to fall. Anyone who’s seen a graph of how it’s soared since 2021 will know that. Of course thought it’s Starmer so of course he’s found a way to fumble the launch of fulfilling one of his manifesto pledges and a popular policy
He’s broken plenty of promises – ask the small family farm businesses where the individuals are making NMW but are going to be hit by a bill for hundreds of thousands of pounds.
This public wetting of underpants by Labour fanboys after he does a little bit about one thing is a desperate distraction. He and Rachel from accounts are either utterly hopeless or wilfully destructive.
TBF they always say they are going to do something about immigration. Nothing will be done because the solutions require too much political will power and Starmer has shown that even with a super majority, he is unwilling to do anything to make necessary changes. The farmers/disability are just low hanging fruit. If he had any willingness to shake things up he would get rid off the triple lock on pensions and for immigration – abolish the right to asylum and end the right of family life etc.
He hasn’t lowered immigration though. It’s at record breaking numbers. Although I agree with what he has done.
There were people who believed he was actually a leftist, and was doing politicking. I was always saying he was on the right and everything he said he believed.
Public opinion is very much on the side of cracking down on immigration levels. The Tories ramped it up to ludicrous levels over the last few years, and it part of the reason they lost a lot of their traditional base.
I’m generally pretty liberal on social issues, voted remain, and rather relaxed about immigration until the last few years. But I’ve acknowledged that there has been a real shift in opinion recently. Many people are not happy to see levels going up. So the government has to crack down now, or it’s likely Reform for the next government.
I don’t think it’s a U-Turn, more a “shit I best speed up the process or I’m gonna lose support”.
The mumu practically redelivered Enoch Powells speech. Starmer is dead to me. He’s got to go. I did not door knock and make donations to Labour to be spoken of like this. And the bait and switch of settled status. Feck them
There’s two pretty obvious reasons people are saying this is a reaction to Reform. 1) the language he’s using now, much more aggressively anti-immigration (even if the policy is consistent). And 2) he did the speech about a week and a half after Reform sweep local elections, and major by-election.
It’s the timing that’s laughable
The point is, what people seem to have a problem with is what they perceive as migrants who don’t contribute, or are coming here to exploit the system.
Nobody thought he’d go after the poor fuckers doing all the low skilled jobs that Brits think are beneath them.
Don’t be disingenuous. It’s the language that was really disgusting for many, plus the idea of doubling settlement time retroactively which is just a shitty bait and switch for those who came here entirely legally, paying a lot of money for visas (and no, people on skilled worker visas cannot get benefits)
Now do the fact he’s ripping 5bn off people who receive PIP – a payment that is needs tested not means tested, while claiming it’s about getting them back to work. It’s a grotesquely cruel thing to be doing to disabled people.
Yeah. It’s a neoliberal centrist government, but it seems to have a gradual plan to work on fixing things. If the alternatives are the continuously imploding and self obsessed Tories, and their weird Reform cousins who don’t even pretend to hide their desire to trash the country, let’s go with this for a while. 14 years fair?
The important thing to remember is that it IS going to happen. The constantly increasing rate of immigration was always going to become too much. No country could keep up with the way immigration is now going. Your choice isn’t immigration reform or no immigration reform, its who decides how it’s done. Your choice is labour or conservatives, and if you leave it too long reform.
It’s the same as brexit. Labour could totally have been the ones that negotiated brexit. This pig headed refusal to deal with changing reality is what made them keep trying to reverse brexit and having it negotiated by the tories.
Don’t people want starmer to do the negotiating? Or would they prefer nigel farage? You have to give the people what they want if you want a hand in how it’s done. And they clearly want immigration reform. It was a good idea to start but the greed of big business means its got out of hand. We have to find new ways to get the same thing but without the negatives that mass movements of people cause.
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you’re right, he did say Labour would do that.
What people are taking issue with is envoking Enouch fucking Powell doing it
Let’s face it, there’s plenty of stuff you can call the current government out for, especially their “pro growth” agenda lol. But this shouldn’t really be controversial since it’s what the Tories kept promising and then Starmer kept promising. Whether we actually see much put in place and acted upon is another matter though, no UK government in my lifetime has been particularly good at getting the things they want done even with public support.
finally! a way i can explain it to my reform/conservative friends
To be fair to the Right Wing, they’re thick as shit.
He has U turned on his nationalisation promises though.
Nah he’s just a spineless liar who’s do anything to win except for any view/policy that is left wing
Immigration needs to fall. Anyone who’s seen a graph of how it’s soared since 2021 will know that. Of course thought it’s Starmer so of course he’s found a way to fumble the launch of fulfilling one of his manifesto pledges and a popular policy
He’s broken plenty of promises – ask the small family farm businesses where the individuals are making NMW but are going to be hit by a bill for hundreds of thousands of pounds.
This public wetting of underpants by Labour fanboys after he does a little bit about one thing is a desperate distraction. He and Rachel from accounts are either utterly hopeless or wilfully destructive.
TBF they always say they are going to do something about immigration. Nothing will be done because the solutions require too much political will power and Starmer has shown that even with a super majority, he is unwilling to do anything to make necessary changes. The farmers/disability are just low hanging fruit. If he had any willingness to shake things up he would get rid off the triple lock on pensions and for immigration – abolish the right to asylum and end the right of family life etc.
He hasn’t lowered immigration though. It’s at record breaking numbers. Although I agree with what he has done.
There were people who believed he was actually a leftist, and was doing politicking. I was always saying he was on the right and everything he said he believed.
Public opinion is very much on the side of cracking down on immigration levels. The Tories ramped it up to ludicrous levels over the last few years, and it part of the reason they lost a lot of their traditional base.
I’m generally pretty liberal on social issues, voted remain, and rather relaxed about immigration until the last few years. But I’ve acknowledged that there has been a real shift in opinion recently. Many people are not happy to see levels going up. So the government has to crack down now, or it’s likely Reform for the next government.
I don’t think it’s a U-Turn, more a “shit I best speed up the process or I’m gonna lose support”.
The mumu practically redelivered Enoch Powells speech. Starmer is dead to me. He’s got to go. I did not door knock and make donations to Labour to be spoken of like this. And the bait and switch of settled status. Feck them
There’s two pretty obvious reasons people are saying this is a reaction to Reform. 1) the language he’s using now, much more aggressively anti-immigration (even if the policy is consistent). And 2) he did the speech about a week and a half after Reform sweep local elections, and major by-election.
It’s the timing that’s laughable
The point is, what people seem to have a problem with is what they perceive as migrants who don’t contribute, or are coming here to exploit the system.
Nobody thought he’d go after the poor fuckers doing all the low skilled jobs that Brits think are beneath them.
Don’t be disingenuous. It’s the language that was really disgusting for many, plus the idea of doubling settlement time retroactively which is just a shitty bait and switch for those who came here entirely legally, paying a lot of money for visas (and no, people on skilled worker visas cannot get benefits)
Now do the fact he’s ripping 5bn off people who receive PIP – a payment that is needs tested not means tested, while claiming it’s about getting them back to work. It’s a grotesquely cruel thing to be doing to disabled people.
Yeah. It’s a neoliberal centrist government, but it seems to have a gradual plan to work on fixing things. If the alternatives are the continuously imploding and self obsessed Tories, and their weird Reform cousins who don’t even pretend to hide their desire to trash the country, let’s go with this for a while. 14 years fair?
The important thing to remember is that it IS going to happen. The constantly increasing rate of immigration was always going to become too much. No country could keep up with the way immigration is now going. Your choice isn’t immigration reform or no immigration reform, its who decides how it’s done. Your choice is labour or conservatives, and if you leave it too long reform.
It’s the same as brexit. Labour could totally have been the ones that negotiated brexit. This pig headed refusal to deal with changing reality is what made them keep trying to reverse brexit and having it negotiated by the tories.
Don’t people want starmer to do the negotiating? Or would they prefer nigel farage? You have to give the people what they want if you want a hand in how it’s done. And they clearly want immigration reform. It was a good idea to start but the greed of big business means its got out of hand. We have to find new ways to get the same thing but without the negatives that mass movements of people cause.
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