How many people have died in Gaza?

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1. 52k per Hamas. At least 10-20k of those are militants, so let’s call it 35k civilians.

   A horrible numbers, but around 3% of Gaza’s population. Gaza also averages about 150k births per year.

   Hopefully Hamas surrenders soon without much more loss of life. These numbers are nothing compared to Sudan or Syria or Rwanda, but it’s past time for this war to be over.

   Hopefully the ground invasion next week will finish them off or get them to crack.

2. >>The researchers found that the overlap was so small that the true number of deaths was probably 46-107% higher than the official ministry total. If you assume that the ratio has stayed the same since last June (and not fallen, as systems caught up during the ceasefire, say) and apply them to the current tally, it would suggest that between 77,000 and 109,000 Gazans have been killed, 4-5% of the territory’s pre-war population

   No one should ever believe the words of israel or their bootlickers. They claim up to 20,000 of the people they killed are hamas. This is a blatant lie. This is the number of murdered men above the age of 16.

   The official count of *confirmed* killed is around 52,000. This does not include the people still buried under the rubble, taken by IOF, missing, or unrecoverable.

   If anyone says “20,000 hamas militants killed” then that is an immediate sign of their inhumanity and disingenuity. They should be shamed and tossed out. These people are vile and deserve to be put on trial along with the IOF and israeli government for their full support of these atrocities.

3. 50k people (according to Hamas health ministry), of whom 20% at most are terrorists (according to independent investigations). So at most 10k terrorists and 40k civilians

   Edit: For those downvoting: [many](https://aoav.org.uk/2024/casualties-in-gaza-israels-claims-of-50-combatant-deaths-dont-add-up-at-least-74-of-the-dead-are-civilians/) [scholars](https://doi.org/10.3389/fpubh.2024.1359189) [say](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/gaza-death-toll-evidence/) [this](https://aoav.org.uk/2024/netanyahu-got-it-wrong-before-the-us-congress-idfs-clean-performance-in-gaza-is-a-lie/)

4. The vast undercount of Israeli-caused deaths in Gaza is regularly reported as 50,000. The actual toll from violent military action and the indirect deaths (stemming from infectious disease, epidemics, untreated chronic illness, untreated serious wounds, and starvation) is well over 400,000 and growing by the day.

   No crowded enclave like Gaza – the geographical size of Philadelphia – with 2.3 million people under a long-term siege blocking essentials can withstand over 115 thousand tons of bombs, plus artillery, grenades, and snipers targeting civilians, with uncontrollable fires everywhere. How could 97.5% of its inhabitants survive? Tens of thousands of Palestinian children, women, and men lie under the rubble. Tens of thousands of diabetics and cancer victims have no medicine. Five thousand babies a month are born into the rubble.

   As declared by the Israeli war ministries, “no food, water, medicine, electricity and fuel,” the words of genocide or mass murder of utterly defenseless civilians who had nothing to do with October 7, 2023 — hikes the ratio of “indirect deaths” to the higher range of three to fifteen-fold by the Geneva Declaration Secretariat’s review of prior conflicts.

   In my lengthy article, published in the Capitol Hill Citizen, (August/September 2024 issue) I noted that the total ban by Netanyahu of foreign and Israeli reporters from entering the killing fields of Gaza allows the undercount by Hamas to be the anchor on the lethal truth. Hamas counts only names of the deceased given by hospitals and mortuaries, which were largely destroyed many months ago. Hamas, like Netanyahu, favors an undercount for obviously different reasons – the former to lessen the ire of its people for not protecting them and the latter to diminish international sanctions and condemnation.

   It is not as if there are no higher estimates by credible groups. UN agencies, international aid groups, and specialists in disaster casualties at places like Brown University and the University of Edinburgh, and reports in the prestigious medical journal LANCET all point to a major undercount. They cite minimum reasonable estimates. But the mass media just keeps citing the Hamas undercount, awaiting some magical number that meets an impossible level of precision.

   Interestingly, the mass media has no problem reporting estimates of deaths under the Syrian Assad dictatorship, during the Sudanese conflict, or the Russian war on Ukraine. It seems only the Palestinians are not allowed to live by the Israeli/U.S. terrorist regimes and are not told how many of them are being annihilated. Imagine, whole extended families in apartment buildings and tents.

   More curious is why the so-called Left, in their denunciations, are still clinging to the Hamas figure. A famous commentator from Haaretz and a civic leader in the U.S. gave me the same answer. The Hamas figures are horrific enough!

5. I just wish Hamas would unconditionally surrender to a third party, like Scotland or something. I don’t see their continued existence as helpful. Sure in a perfect world Israel would just stop, but that isn’t going to happen. There no real pressure on them to do that. All though I’m sure if your getting most of your news from reddit you might believe there is some crazy big coalition against them, sadly there isn’t.

   I feel like Hamas will continue to fight until every Palestinian is dead, whether there is another option or not. It bothers me that they still want to continue as an organization. It seems unhelpful to Palestinians at this point.

   It should go without saying Israel is completely in the wrong, but what I feel, doesn’t really change what should be done. In a perfect world everyone in Israel and Palestine would view a single death, from either country as 1 deaths too many. In the current one, Hamas needs to fully retreat/surrender/whatever from Gaza. All militants need too. Then we can have a better chance of untrenching Israel from the region as well.

6. This is one of the most sobering pieces I’ve read in a while. The sheer scale of death in Gaza… potentially as high as 109,000 is not just a number, it’s a shattering of families, neighborhoods, generations. What stood out to me is how methodical the researchers had to be, not just relying on official sources but cross-checking with obituaries and fragmented online reports. It speaks volumes about how difficult truth-finding becomes in war—when institutions are flattened, when political agendas muddy the data, and when the dead can’t always be counted because there’s no one left to report them.

   Also striking is the implication that many deaths may remain invisible: those who died from lack of care, or whose identities never made it to any list. It’s horrifying that even the number of lives lost becomes a site of contestation and erasure. Whether it’s 52,000 or over 100,000, the bottom line is that Gaza has suffered a level of human loss that will haunt it for generations.

7. Sadly, we will never know with 100% certainty what the real death toll is. Israel and the United States have zero interest in getting an accurate estimate. They will also go to great lengths to obfuscate and discredit any studies that do attempt to find the real number. 

   In my semi-educated opinion, The death toll will reach 100,000 or more by the time this is all said and done. The 50,000 count from the health ministry is probably a vast underestimate. There are *easily* 5 to 10 thousand more people buried under rubble, or so badly obliterated that there was nothing left to recover. I suspect that many hundreds more have been bulldozed and tilled under the earth by Israeli combat engineering vehicles. Also, As the article mentions, the casualty numbers we’re seeing do not include those dead from medical issues and malnutrition.

   Colonel Lawerence Wilkerson (retired army colonel and chief of staff under Colin Powell) believes we are already at the 100,000 mark. He stated in an interview that there are casualty estimating templates within the defense establishment, and that when those templates are applied to the war in Gaza you get a number somewhere around 100,000. This interview was months ago, the number is undoubtedly higher now. 

   When all is said and done, Israel will have directly or indirectly killed 5-6% of gaza’s prewar population. They are also poised to expel hundreds of thousands more. We could be looking at 20-25% of Gaza’s populace killed or forcefully displaced. Crime of the century. 

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