Good neighbourly relations require admitting to own wrongdoings and asking for forgiveness.
*<thin watery fart sounds>*
They don’t ever learn.
Shit, the so-called “genocide”, that’s a super dick move on their side. Bloody hell.
„so called” jfc they just still deny it
Literally less than a week ago I saw Ukrainians reporting on social media how anti-Ukrainian sentiments in Poland are purely a result of Russian propaganda. Zero self awareness, they still haven’t learned anything.
Welp. Each time they open thier mouth I support Ukraine less and less. It’s only hate for Russia that keeps me on thier side at this point.
This is actually beyond stupid, whatever they think about UPA (heroes etc.), they should get to work on it and get through it. They are much weaker partner and they need allies otherwise they will lose hard. I’m not against Ukraine, actually most of the time, I would back them, but they are shooting themselves in the foot and face at the same time with such message
And yet people wonder how does anti-ukrainian Braun get 5% of votes. We should be wondering why it’s ONLY 5%
We’re independent country and we will do whatever we want. Right now, Ukraine needs us more than we need them. And yes, support them in any way we can, and fuck putin, I’m on the side of humanity in this war.
If you don’t know what mainstream Ukrainian narration on Volhynia genocide is I highly recomend to read Ukrainian version of wikipedia on that topic. They briefly describe it as “Volhynian tragedy” and “mutual Polish-Ukrainian clashes” while the remaining 75% of the article is about how wrong Poles are blaming Ukrainians and exaggerating numbers of the victims.
Needless to say, wiki has a slightly left-wing bias. I wonder what center and right wingers think about it.
Disgusting statement…and it certainly flies in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Poland and Ukraine.
It’s crazy they are commenting on a sovereign country instating a day of remembrance for victims of genocide. To also question the validity of the Wołyń massacred being genocide is particularly horrible.
I mean these were a group of Ukrainians, it isn’t that hard to admit their wrongdoings. Nobody is blaming the whole nation for those events.
They should have acknowledged it long ago, and now they’re kind of using the war as an excuse to delay.
I fully support Ukraine and hurt to see the country destroyed in an illegal invasion by Russia. I support Poland donating equipment and supplies to help them fight. But they could really rise up themselves to these ’good neighbourly relations’.
Only part missing from this statement is Heil H**ler at the end.
Chuj im w dupę feels like a good way to sum it up
This statement is indeed, a fly in face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations.
They are bold to write something like that
I don’t like Nawrocki but after post like this he will never agree to let them join UE
what is the point of this? why now?
Sad, very sad, Ukrainians politicians are obviously even more moronic than Polish politicians
Frankly, friendship is built on both solidarity in the present and honesty about the past. We have been delivering the former (accepting millions!). Ukraine better start delivering the latter soon!
It seemed like a nice surprise in our relations until I’ve read the “so called” part, this is pathetic, some nations are never going to change. If they want good relations with us, they need to admit to their crimes and to stop glorifying upa and ukrainian ss criminals.
~~Oh for fucks sake…As a Ukrainian that hates upa cult, I’m sorry for my government acting like this, this is just embarrassing.~~
Nvm, triggered patriots in the comments made a good point as to why putting effort in a proper apology is a waste of time.
I am starting to believe that MFA of my country contains imbeciles. Why… not the time, not the place. Why have you used “so called”? What is fucking wrong with you? Omg. I am so sorry.
I want to say at once, that I’m Ukrainian and I don’t like OUN/UPA and I believe it was a genocide, and that Ukrainian government should resolve this and stop denying the fact of mass killings of innocents.
Probably it’s obvious without me saying this, that many Ukrainians don’t treat Bandera as hero, especially in the east/south regions of the country (where I’m from originally, but live in Poland now (i nie, nie spierdalam na Ukrainę :P). Before the war, most of people in these regions were treating him as a criminal, just as Poles do.
Now, things are changed – because of the war, many more started to like him. And in the minds of people who like him, he was fighting against enemies of Ukraine, and they don’t believe in the genocide his people made against Poles. Many just think it was a dual-sided clashes, i.e. Ukrainians killed Poles, and Poles killed Ukrainians.
This is why, probably, Ukrainian government can’t say that this was a genocide – they’ll lose big part of their supporters among people, and you know, politicians would never do something that would harm their popularity. But I think at least they must start to do some steps in this direction, in the end – admitting your mistakes is what decent people do. It’s a pity they don’t do anything to resolve this.
Someone should tell Ukraine what it means to bite the hand that feeds them.
wtf
Regular day in Ukrainian diplomacy, shooting yourself in the foot
It would be such a shame if Jasionka airport suddenly *had to* be closed for renovation.
With all my respect to Ukrainians, they should stop using UPA, Shukhevich and Bandera as Heroes. This just straight up goes right into the Russian narrative that Ukraine supports Nazis. There are far less controversial heroes of Ukraine from WW1 that could be used as a symbol of resistance.
Yes, UPA fought against the USSR, but in Ukraine they chose to omit the other side – collaboration with Germans and massive killings of Jews and Poles. Each time that I see Red and Black Flag with people screaming “Slava Ukraini” my heart saddens 🙁
P.S I prefer using another slogan used by WW1 Ukraine Independence movement – “Haj żywe wilna Ukraina” (Let Free Ukraine Live) as it doesn’t contain any negative connotation/connection with UPA, unlike “Slava Ukraini” and “Ukraina ponad use” which is straight up just a copy of German “Deutschland über alles”.
The intern who wrote this statement needs to get his login taken away ASAP.
“So called” aka we don’t give a fuck but if that’s the price to get you to back us up, we’ll give you that on day of the year and put a tiny stone somewhere on the side so you can put flowers on it.
“So-called”…. My shoe would have been flying at him at mach speed. This has nothing to do with current war, it’s about getting to the bottom of what happened and remembering.
“So called”
Ungrateful assholes.
I think it’s quite manipulative not to show the full text of the statement
Without the Ukrainian resistance, the Russians would have reached the Polish border long ago. Even if this is only possible with foreign support, it is still better than Poland itself being at war with Russia.
What I’m trying to say is: please resolve these issues when the war is over. And not in the middle of it.
Sadly, a bald statement on FMA’s side that I am not happy with. But I am surprised to see no mention of more facts on the topic in the comments on what lead to that:
All of this happened while under German and Soviet occupation of both countries, not long after the borders were changed between. This left many people effectively on the “wrong” side of the new lines – with entire villages of different nationalities suddenly within a foreign state. That naturally caused resentment and fear. There was also a long timereligious pressure on Ukrainians, as Polish state forced catolicism on them and limited Ukrainian-language education, giving birth to resentment. On top of that, Soviet policies and provocations played a major role in fueling ethnic tensions – like placing Ukrainian police in Polish villages and vice versa.
It’s important to acknowledge that the Volyn tragedy was a deeply painful chapter in the history of both countries. It’s important to show empathy to everyone who suffered аnd admitting we all played a part. But we alsо gotta be real: in this situation, the Ukrainіan side was more violent and is more to blame fоr what happened.
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* source: https://x.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1930577884889977099
* 2nd image: Wikipedia
* 3rd and 4th: article in RP from October 2024 https://www.rp.pl/polityka/art41234351-kosiniak-kamysz-ukraina-nie-wejdzie-do-ue-jezeli-nie-rozwiaze-sprawy-wolynia
Good neighbourly relations require admitting to own wrongdoings and asking for forgiveness.
*<thin watery fart sounds>*
They don’t ever learn.
Shit, the so-called “genocide”, that’s a super dick move on their side. Bloody hell.
„so called” jfc they just still deny it
Literally less than a week ago I saw Ukrainians reporting on social media how anti-Ukrainian sentiments in Poland are purely a result of Russian propaganda. Zero self awareness, they still haven’t learned anything.
Welp. Each time they open thier mouth I support Ukraine less and less. It’s only hate for Russia that keeps me on thier side at this point.
This is actually beyond stupid, whatever they think about UPA (heroes etc.), they should get to work on it and get through it. They are much weaker partner and they need allies otherwise they will lose hard. I’m not against Ukraine, actually most of the time, I would back them, but they are shooting themselves in the foot and face at the same time with such message
And yet people wonder how does anti-ukrainian Braun get 5% of votes. We should be wondering why it’s ONLY 5%
We’re independent country and we will do whatever we want. Right now, Ukraine needs us more than we need them. And yes, support them in any way we can, and fuck putin, I’m on the side of humanity in this war.
If you don’t know what mainstream Ukrainian narration on Volhynia genocide is I highly recomend to read Ukrainian version of wikipedia on that topic. They briefly describe it as “Volhynian tragedy” and “mutual Polish-Ukrainian clashes” while the remaining 75% of the article is about how wrong Poles are blaming Ukrainians and exaggerating numbers of the victims.
Needless to say, wiki has a slightly left-wing bias. I wonder what center and right wingers think about it.
Disgusting statement…and it certainly flies in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Poland and Ukraine.
It’s crazy they are commenting on a sovereign country instating a day of remembrance for victims of genocide. To also question the validity of the Wołyń massacred being genocide is particularly horrible.
I mean these were a group of Ukrainians, it isn’t that hard to admit their wrongdoings. Nobody is blaming the whole nation for those events.
They should have acknowledged it long ago, and now they’re kind of using the war as an excuse to delay.
I fully support Ukraine and hurt to see the country destroyed in an illegal invasion by Russia. I support Poland donating equipment and supplies to help them fight. But they could really rise up themselves to these ’good neighbourly relations’.
Only part missing from this statement is Heil H**ler at the end.
Chuj im w dupę feels like a good way to sum it up
This statement is indeed, a fly in face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations.
They are bold to write something like that
I don’t like Nawrocki but after post like this he will never agree to let them join UE
what is the point of this? why now?
Sad, very sad, Ukrainians politicians are obviously even more moronic than Polish politicians
Frankly, friendship is built on both solidarity in the present and honesty about the past. We have been delivering the former (accepting millions!). Ukraine better start delivering the latter soon!
It seemed like a nice surprise in our relations until I’ve read the “so called” part, this is pathetic, some nations are never going to change. If they want good relations with us, they need to admit to their crimes and to stop glorifying upa and ukrainian ss criminals.
~~Oh for fucks sake…As a Ukrainian that hates upa cult, I’m sorry for my government acting like this, this is just embarrassing.~~
Nvm, triggered patriots in the comments made a good point as to why putting effort in a proper apology is a waste of time.
I am starting to believe that MFA of my country contains imbeciles. Why… not the time, not the place. Why have you used “so called”? What is fucking wrong with you? Omg. I am so sorry.
I want to say at once, that I’m Ukrainian and I don’t like OUN/UPA and I believe it was a genocide, and that Ukrainian government should resolve this and stop denying the fact of mass killings of innocents.
Probably it’s obvious without me saying this, that many Ukrainians don’t treat Bandera as hero, especially in the east/south regions of the country (where I’m from originally, but live in Poland now (i nie, nie spierdalam na Ukrainę :P). Before the war, most of people in these regions were treating him as a criminal, just as Poles do.
Now, things are changed – because of the war, many more started to like him. And in the minds of people who like him, he was fighting against enemies of Ukraine, and they don’t believe in the genocide his people made against Poles. Many just think it was a dual-sided clashes, i.e. Ukrainians killed Poles, and Poles killed Ukrainians.
This is why, probably, Ukrainian government can’t say that this was a genocide – they’ll lose big part of their supporters among people, and you know, politicians would never do something that would harm their popularity. But I think at least they must start to do some steps in this direction, in the end – admitting your mistakes is what decent people do. It’s a pity they don’t do anything to resolve this.
Someone should tell Ukraine what it means to bite the hand that feeds them.
wtf
Regular day in Ukrainian diplomacy, shooting yourself in the foot
It would be such a shame if Jasionka airport suddenly *had to* be closed for renovation.
With all my respect to Ukrainians, they should stop using UPA, Shukhevich and Bandera as Heroes. This just straight up goes right into the Russian narrative that Ukraine supports Nazis. There are far less controversial heroes of Ukraine from WW1 that could be used as a symbol of resistance.
Yes, UPA fought against the USSR, but in Ukraine they chose to omit the other side – collaboration with Germans and massive killings of Jews and Poles. Each time that I see Red and Black Flag with people screaming “Slava Ukraini” my heart saddens 🙁
P.S I prefer using another slogan used by WW1 Ukraine Independence movement – “Haj żywe wilna Ukraina” (Let Free Ukraine Live) as it doesn’t contain any negative connotation/connection with UPA, unlike “Slava Ukraini” and “Ukraina ponad use” which is straight up just a copy of German “Deutschland über alles”.
The intern who wrote this statement needs to get his login taken away ASAP.
“So called” aka we don’t give a fuck but if that’s the price to get you to back us up, we’ll give you that on day of the year and put a tiny stone somewhere on the side so you can put flowers on it.
“So-called”…. My shoe would have been flying at him at mach speed. This has nothing to do with current war, it’s about getting to the bottom of what happened and remembering.
“So called”
Ungrateful assholes.
I think it’s quite manipulative not to show the full text of the statement
[https://mfa.gov.ua/en/news/zayava-mzs-shchodo-rishennya-sejmu-respubliki-polshcha](https://mfa.gov.ua/en/news/zayava-mzs-shchodo-rishennya-sejmu-respubliki-polshcha)
https://preview.redd.it/8cz3157in65f1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=3513704afe0847564171c6795099142b1c51aa19
Without the Ukrainian resistance, the Russians would have reached the Polish border long ago. Even if this is only possible with foreign support, it is still better than Poland itself being at war with Russia.
What I’m trying to say is: please resolve these issues when the war is over. And not in the middle of it.
Sadly, a bald statement on FMA’s side that I am not happy with. But I am surprised to see no mention of more facts on the topic in the comments on what lead to that:
All of this happened while under German and Soviet occupation of both countries, not long after the borders were changed between. This left many people effectively on the “wrong” side of the new lines – with entire villages of different nationalities suddenly within a foreign state. That naturally caused resentment and fear. There was also a long timereligious pressure on Ukrainians, as Polish state forced catolicism on them and limited Ukrainian-language education, giving birth to resentment. On top of that, Soviet policies and provocations played a major role in fueling ethnic tensions – like placing Ukrainian police in Polish villages and vice versa.
It’s important to acknowledge that the Volyn tragedy was a deeply painful chapter in the history of both countries. It’s important to show empathy to everyone who suffered аnd admitting we all played a part. But we alsо gotta be real: in this situation, the Ukrainіan side was more violent and is more to blame fоr what happened.
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