Edit: This is nuanced and has a lot of issues. The only real solution is build more. Way more. But the majority of the population is against that, as new SRF surveys showed. This proposal will 100% have major negative consequences, but until people feel it nothing will change. And btw it’s not just NIMBYs that block building. It’s also the left wing parties and organiztions. This is why I am for this. We need to force them to make a decision. Either take this shitty proposal or give up resistance to building more.
Someone made a great point that this could result in rents increasing as more swiss nationals would be in the city. Which would also increase wages and therefore inflation and costs. So yeah nuanced and complex topic. There are no easy solutions. All of this is just fighting symptoms, not the actual problem which is the lack of housing, but nobody wants to actually do anything about that because the solutions to solve that are incredibly unpopular.
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Honestly, yeah. I am a member of the SP, but I kind of agree with this. If the right and the left want to block expansion of building more on agricultural land then let’s do this. Although I would do it for everyone with a C permit or higher. Otherwise it’s just racially motivated rather than helping the people already here.
It cannot be that people that have a Swiss passport can’t find an apartment but a highly skilled immigrant that is coming here making 20k a month can easily find an apartment. I am pro immigration but there are serious problems which Migration exturbates. We need to address these issues.
Our government needs to address our issues first. Of course we should help others but not at the expense of our own population.
And quit frankly a lot of people want to come to Switzerland because of our high standard of living and high salaries. The issue with this is, if there is no checks, then it will naturally attract more people meaning resources have to spread out over more people, meaning there is less.
Not saying immigration cannot benefit. It absolutely does. But for some portion of the migrants you have to invest a lot of money into education to make them economically productive with no guarantee that they will stay.
This is btw one of the dumbest things we do. If you study here at university, it really doesn’t cost that much even as a foreigner. But we don’t give these people a opportunity to work here. That is just wasted tax payer money. We invested into the education of these people but don’t give them work visas after. That is genuinely dumb.
I’d love to hear what others say. It sounds a bit too much pointing at the rich expat black sheep instead of a real solution.
I had a similar thought (not a economics expert) but why can’t we add taxes for any house that is not privately owned and lived in – so that housing for people living here becomes an affordable good (ie avoid foreign investment/buying for profit)?
In Singapore, approx. 80% of people live in subsidized public housing, and many of them own their apartment (leasehold). The private property market is small and open to foreigners. It’s a policy issue, not a migration issue.
As with a lot of initiatives, the devil is in the details. The 10 year requirement will primarily push non-Swiss low-income people out of the city. This will drive rents up further (because the remaining population can afford higher rents), which will lead to exactly the opposite effect of what the initiative claims.
How about we do the obvious thing and build more housing?
Why does the SVP need to manufacture a fake division between people instead of actually solving the issue?
Wish they would try this in Canada
It’s already like this – landlords are more open to renting to Swiss people than foreigners.
My old boss was a member of European royalty and a senior VP – even he still struggled to find an apartment that would take him and his family in Zurich.
It doesn’t looke like a good solution. The right solution is build more affordable (not luxary) flats. A big problem is that Zurich has a small area, so you probably need build also in the towns surrounding the city and consider them part of “urban Zurich” , but for that you don’t just need house but you are also needing to build more public transit.
This sometimes already happens, some landlords are already biased
They would propose literally anything other than to build new housing.
“Yes, please take the most low-paying jobs we have, but also be the last in line for housing, where cheaper apartments are in highest demand”.
If it ever happens, hope construction and care workers move to where they’re treated like equals.
> The party explains its initiative by stating that the significantly larger proportion of demand for housing comes from abroad. However, Switzerland should not be overbuilt, according to their press release. Building more and more, as demanded by business associations, would not solve the problem.
Lol, “the demand for housing comes from outside of Switzerland!”
“Building more housing will NOT solve the housing shortage”.
Also this dumb ass “homeland for our people” shit. Straight nazi dream.
> Although there are significantly more flats than before, living space is becoming scarcer. The party explains its initiative by stating that the significantly larger proportion of demand for housing comes from abroad. However, Switzerland should not be overbuilt, according to their press release. Building more and more, as demanded by business associations, would not solve the problem.
The premise that house prices are increasing solely due to immigration is completely incorrect, and I’m afraid we really do need to build more if we have any chance of reducing house prices. That being said, I don’t really have an issue with Switzerland prioritising Swiss people, they are the first responsibility of the state.
They should also create 3rd class in public transportation for foreigners so that citizens can sit at rush hour.
I feel like this is already the case, maybe not legally but socially. But also, can this party come up with real solutions for once rather than blame everything on immigrants
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Edit: This is nuanced and has a lot of issues. The only real solution is build more. Way more. But the majority of the population is against that, as new SRF surveys showed. This proposal will 100% have major negative consequences, but until people feel it nothing will change. And btw it’s not just NIMBYs that block building. It’s also the left wing parties and organiztions. This is why I am for this. We need to force them to make a decision. Either take this shitty proposal or give up resistance to building more.
Someone made a great point that this could result in rents increasing as more swiss nationals would be in the city. Which would also increase wages and therefore inflation and costs. So yeah nuanced and complex topic. There are no easy solutions. All of this is just fighting symptoms, not the actual problem which is the lack of housing, but nobody wants to actually do anything about that because the solutions to solve that are incredibly unpopular.
—
Honestly, yeah. I am a member of the SP, but I kind of agree with this. If the right and the left want to block expansion of building more on agricultural land then let’s do this. Although I would do it for everyone with a C permit or higher. Otherwise it’s just racially motivated rather than helping the people already here.
It cannot be that people that have a Swiss passport can’t find an apartment but a highly skilled immigrant that is coming here making 20k a month can easily find an apartment. I am pro immigration but there are serious problems which Migration exturbates. We need to address these issues.
Our government needs to address our issues first. Of course we should help others but not at the expense of our own population.
And quit frankly a lot of people want to come to Switzerland because of our high standard of living and high salaries. The issue with this is, if there is no checks, then it will naturally attract more people meaning resources have to spread out over more people, meaning there is less.
Not saying immigration cannot benefit. It absolutely does. But for some portion of the migrants you have to invest a lot of money into education to make them economically productive with no guarantee that they will stay.
This is btw one of the dumbest things we do. If you study here at university, it really doesn’t cost that much even as a foreigner. But we don’t give these people a opportunity to work here. That is just wasted tax payer money. We invested into the education of these people but don’t give them work visas after. That is genuinely dumb.
I’d love to hear what others say. It sounds a bit too much pointing at the rich expat black sheep instead of a real solution.
I had a similar thought (not a economics expert) but why can’t we add taxes for any house that is not privately owned and lived in – so that housing for people living here becomes an affordable good (ie avoid foreign investment/buying for profit)?
In Singapore, approx. 80% of people live in subsidized public housing, and many of them own their apartment (leasehold). The private property market is small and open to foreigners. It’s a policy issue, not a migration issue.
As with a lot of initiatives, the devil is in the details. The 10 year requirement will primarily push non-Swiss low-income people out of the city. This will drive rents up further (because the remaining population can afford higher rents), which will lead to exactly the opposite effect of what the initiative claims.
How about we do the obvious thing and build more housing?
Why does the SVP need to manufacture a fake division between people instead of actually solving the issue?
Wish they would try this in Canada
It’s already like this – landlords are more open to renting to Swiss people than foreigners.
My old boss was a member of European royalty and a senior VP – even he still struggled to find an apartment that would take him and his family in Zurich.
It doesn’t looke like a good solution. The right solution is build more affordable (not luxary) flats. A big problem is that Zurich has a small area, so you probably need build also in the towns surrounding the city and consider them part of “urban Zurich” , but for that you don’t just need house but you are also needing to build more public transit.
This sometimes already happens, some landlords are already biased
They would propose literally anything other than to build new housing.
“Yes, please take the most low-paying jobs we have, but also be the last in line for housing, where cheaper apartments are in highest demand”.
If it ever happens, hope construction and care workers move to where they’re treated like equals.
> The party explains its initiative by stating that the significantly larger proportion of demand for housing comes from abroad. However, Switzerland should not be overbuilt, according to their press release. Building more and more, as demanded by business associations, would not solve the problem.
Lol, “the demand for housing comes from outside of Switzerland!”
“Building more housing will NOT solve the housing shortage”.
Also this dumb ass “homeland for our people” shit. Straight nazi dream.
> Although there are significantly more flats than before, living space is becoming scarcer. The party explains its initiative by stating that the significantly larger proportion of demand for housing comes from abroad. However, Switzerland should not be overbuilt, according to their press release. Building more and more, as demanded by business associations, would not solve the problem.
The premise that house prices are increasing solely due to immigration is completely incorrect, and I’m afraid we really do need to build more if we have any chance of reducing house prices. That being said, I don’t really have an issue with Switzerland prioritising Swiss people, they are the first responsibility of the state.
They should also create 3rd class in public transportation for foreigners so that citizens can sit at rush hour.
I feel like this is already the case, maybe not legally but socially. But also, can this party come up with real solutions for once rather than blame everything on immigrants
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