So what they are saying is more than half of cyclists don’t lie…?
And the other just don’t admit it
Lol yeah who’s waiting at a red when the one pedestrian waiting to cross has done so? Holding people riding 10kg bikes up to a maximum 20mph to the same standards as people who are in a bubble, driving 2 tonne vehicles capable of 140mph+ is absolutely ludicrous ~~to me~~.
Good research into how bad bike traffic lights are in London.
Whataboutism incoming
To be fair, if car drivers didn’t have number plates they would run them too.
I skip the pedestrian red lights, if I see no pedestrians, I dont skip the car ones
as a blind person, I hate these cnuts with a passion. Zero consideration, especially the one’s who dress like they’re doing the Tour de France to … cycle to Canary Wharf.
Cyclists braking red lights in this city makes it hell on earth for me as a disabled person trying to cross the road. There is never any excuse, just stop at red lights, it’s the law for a reason. Your journey is not more important than anyone elses. I’m sick of shouting at people constantly for doing this. I’m just trying to go about my life and not get killed by a car or bike. Every person who breaks red lights, even only once, just know you are making other peoples lives harder and you are deeply selfish and entitled if you do it regularly.
If you use the road you should follow the road laws. But they jump red lights because they know there will be little to no repercussions. What’s the incentive for them to stop?
In my experience cyclists jump lights because they have a mad revving land rover behind them who intends to unsafely overtake. Sometimes it’s the safest option a cyclist has, but only if they know the road well enough to do it.
In Paris they have fixed this issue by allowing cyclists to go on Red except for special cases. It is much safer.
To quote a great man
“Cyclists have all the perks of using the roads with none of the responsibility. As soon as it suits them *poof* …. they’re a pedestrian”
It happens so much I actually thought it was legal
In other news, water is wet
I think they should just make the law state red lights are a “stop” for cyclists, but also allow them to move during pedestrian green signal phase if done safely / by making it set in law that they stop beforehand, which should make things safer while not ‘slowing things to a crawl’ – I find on junctions with advanced light for cyclists, they do end up stopping … So maybe the running is a symptom of a problem (launching at same time as cars is nerve wracking in the very center or on major A rosds) that can be fixed either with more infrastructure (expensive) or a law that is less unsafe to follow (cheap). As it stands, when cyclists stop at reds the whole way, impatient drivers will pass them way too close when the lights go green, or they’re in a turning lane and having to sit in the middle of the road getting passed on both sides on right turns, etc. Generally it could all be done better. More cycle lights or change the law to be safer for everyone
The daily cycle hate post. Great.
Always attracts the nutters.
Ah the “my bike will only slightly maim your child. A car would fully maim your child, therefore it is okay for me to risk maiming your child with my bike” argument is doing the rounds here I see.
I never realised how much I hate cyclists until I started cycling myself.
Genuinely the most self entitled cnts you’ll ever find.
They love not stopping at pedestrian crossings too
And those are only the ones that admit to it.
But this sub tells me, a pedestrian, that I am just being hysterical and I should just take it on the chin because a life altering injury is much better than the death a car would give me.
There’s running lights and there’s running lights. When I used to cycle in London I was in the habit of slowing to a crawl for lights, and making my way if there was no traffic or pedestrians crossing and if it was safe. It used to piss me off when the idiots zoomed through with little or no care. It got way worse with the advent of electric bikes, especially the public on hire bikes and those making deliveries for just eat or whatever.
Feel this is lacking nuance. I don’t stop at a red light if its a pedestrian crossing and there’s nobody nearby. Why would I?
Given most cyclists do this, and people in this thread seem pretty angry at it, I thought I’d give my perspective as someone who does this fairly often as a cyclist of 10+ years in London.
I run reds when it’s safe to do so. I have never come close to hitting (or even scaring) a pedestrian, because I don’t run reds when there are pedestrians crossing / about to cross. If it’s an empty crossing and I’m just waiting, I see no reason to wait for the light to turn green.
I do it more often when cars take up the cycling box space on busy roads. In those instances I have the option of waiting *in* the pedestrian crossing space, or rolling through it. I’m not going to wait behind/between cars as it’s more dangerous for me. Maybe hard to believe for some in this thread, but it is genuinely safer to roll through the light in those instances.
Is this against the law? Yes. Do I see that as bad? Not inherently. Taking recreational drugs is illegal, I don’t see that as bad.
There are many cyclists who run reds dangerously (e.g. when pedestrians are crossing). I see that as bad. There are many dangerous cyclists on London’s roads (I have seen many – most often e-bikes – nearly hit pedestrians).
While bad, those problem cyclists are vastly outweighed by the number of problem drivers on London’s roads. I have been knocked off my bike several times (white vans / zip cars the most common!), 2 times nearly killing me, I have seen and reported a hit and run which killed a pedestrian on Upper Street, Islington, many more examples. Dangerous cyclists are a problem, but dangerous drivers are 10x worse and the outrage at them is bizarrely far less.
No surprise at all it’s so high.
Cue cyclists blaming car drivers and playing the what about game.
I am sure the actual figure is much more than half. The correct headline is “More than half of London cyclists being honest”
As a ‘cyclist’ and a ‘driver’ I think I am well placed to assess this. The roads are not fit for purpose for cycling even though they are improving bit by bit. For it to be safer , cyclists should be able get a head start at lights, it just needs to be designed by the appropriate road layout designers. A cyclist is very unlikely to seriously injure someone, whereas drivers of vehicles unfortunately kill thousands and thousands of people every year. So the stats do not lie, the problem is the drivers of vehicles, the vehicles themselves and the layout of the infrastructure.
Caring about cyclists running red lights is pearl-clutching. As a driver in London I couldn’t give a toss. A cyclist is closer to a pedestrian than a motor vehicle.
The other half just didn’t admit to running red lights.
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So what they are saying is more than half of cyclists don’t lie…?
And the other just don’t admit it
Lol yeah who’s waiting at a red when the one pedestrian waiting to cross has done so? Holding people riding 10kg bikes up to a maximum 20mph to the same standards as people who are in a bubble, driving 2 tonne vehicles capable of 140mph+ is absolutely ludicrous ~~to me~~.
Good research into how bad bike traffic lights are in London.
Whataboutism incoming
To be fair, if car drivers didn’t have number plates they would run them too.
I skip the pedestrian red lights, if I see no pedestrians, I dont skip the car ones
as a blind person, I hate these cnuts with a passion. Zero consideration, especially the one’s who dress like they’re doing the Tour de France to … cycle to Canary Wharf.
Cyclists braking red lights in this city makes it hell on earth for me as a disabled person trying to cross the road. There is never any excuse, just stop at red lights, it’s the law for a reason. Your journey is not more important than anyone elses. I’m sick of shouting at people constantly for doing this. I’m just trying to go about my life and not get killed by a car or bike. Every person who breaks red lights, even only once, just know you are making other peoples lives harder and you are deeply selfish and entitled if you do it regularly.
If you use the road you should follow the road laws. But they jump red lights because they know there will be little to no repercussions. What’s the incentive for them to stop?
In my experience cyclists jump lights because they have a mad revving land rover behind them who intends to unsafely overtake. Sometimes it’s the safest option a cyclist has, but only if they know the road well enough to do it.
In Paris they have fixed this issue by allowing cyclists to go on Red except for special cases. It is much safer.
To quote a great man
“Cyclists have all the perks of using the roads with none of the responsibility. As soon as it suits them *poof* …. they’re a pedestrian”
It happens so much I actually thought it was legal
In other news, water is wet
I think they should just make the law state red lights are a “stop” for cyclists, but also allow them to move during pedestrian green signal phase if done safely / by making it set in law that they stop beforehand, which should make things safer while not ‘slowing things to a crawl’ – I find on junctions with advanced light for cyclists, they do end up stopping … So maybe the running is a symptom of a problem (launching at same time as cars is nerve wracking in the very center or on major A rosds) that can be fixed either with more infrastructure (expensive) or a law that is less unsafe to follow (cheap). As it stands, when cyclists stop at reds the whole way, impatient drivers will pass them way too close when the lights go green, or they’re in a turning lane and having to sit in the middle of the road getting passed on both sides on right turns, etc. Generally it could all be done better. More cycle lights or change the law to be safer for everyone
The daily cycle hate post. Great.
Always attracts the nutters.
Ah the “my bike will only slightly maim your child. A car would fully maim your child, therefore it is okay for me to risk maiming your child with my bike” argument is doing the rounds here I see.
I never realised how much I hate cyclists until I started cycling myself.
Genuinely the most self entitled cnts you’ll ever find.
They love not stopping at pedestrian crossings too
And those are only the ones that admit to it.
But this sub tells me, a pedestrian, that I am just being hysterical and I should just take it on the chin because a life altering injury is much better than the death a car would give me.
There’s running lights and there’s running lights. When I used to cycle in London I was in the habit of slowing to a crawl for lights, and making my way if there was no traffic or pedestrians crossing and if it was safe. It used to piss me off when the idiots zoomed through with little or no care. It got way worse with the advent of electric bikes, especially the public on hire bikes and those making deliveries for just eat or whatever.
Feel this is lacking nuance. I don’t stop at a red light if its a pedestrian crossing and there’s nobody nearby. Why would I?
Given most cyclists do this, and people in this thread seem pretty angry at it, I thought I’d give my perspective as someone who does this fairly often as a cyclist of 10+ years in London.
I run reds when it’s safe to do so. I have never come close to hitting (or even scaring) a pedestrian, because I don’t run reds when there are pedestrians crossing / about to cross. If it’s an empty crossing and I’m just waiting, I see no reason to wait for the light to turn green.
I do it more often when cars take up the cycling box space on busy roads. In those instances I have the option of waiting *in* the pedestrian crossing space, or rolling through it. I’m not going to wait behind/between cars as it’s more dangerous for me. Maybe hard to believe for some in this thread, but it is genuinely safer to roll through the light in those instances.
Is this against the law? Yes. Do I see that as bad? Not inherently. Taking recreational drugs is illegal, I don’t see that as bad.
There are many cyclists who run reds dangerously (e.g. when pedestrians are crossing). I see that as bad. There are many dangerous cyclists on London’s roads (I have seen many – most often e-bikes – nearly hit pedestrians).
While bad, those problem cyclists are vastly outweighed by the number of problem drivers on London’s roads. I have been knocked off my bike several times (white vans / zip cars the most common!), 2 times nearly killing me, I have seen and reported a hit and run which killed a pedestrian on Upper Street, Islington, many more examples. Dangerous cyclists are a problem, but dangerous drivers are 10x worse and the outrage at them is bizarrely far less.
No surprise at all it’s so high.
Cue cyclists blaming car drivers and playing the what about game.
I am sure the actual figure is much more than half. The correct headline is “More than half of London cyclists being honest”
As a ‘cyclist’ and a ‘driver’ I think I am well placed to assess this. The roads are not fit for purpose for cycling even though they are improving bit by bit. For it to be safer , cyclists should be able get a head start at lights, it just needs to be designed by the appropriate road layout designers. A cyclist is very unlikely to seriously injure someone, whereas drivers of vehicles unfortunately kill thousands and thousands of people every year. So the stats do not lie, the problem is the drivers of vehicles, the vehicles themselves and the layout of the infrastructure.
Caring about cyclists running red lights is pearl-clutching. As a driver in London I couldn’t give a toss. A cyclist is closer to a pedestrian than a motor vehicle.
The other half just didn’t admit to running red lights.
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