Then Vs Now

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  1. Tax the rich. Help the working class. The rich will still be rich.

  2. the colonists didn’t have an issue with taxes. they had an issue with paying taxes and not being represented in parliament. hence “no taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION” not “no taxation ever!”

    the colonies were extremely wealthy for the crown, and the colonists wanted a say in their determination.

    over half of the founding fathers [supported reconciliation with England, as long as they recieved a single seat in parliament ](https://www.akronlegalnews.com/editorial/18071#:~:text=John%20Dickinson%20%E2%80%94%20Born%20in%20Talbot,with%20Britain%20at%20that%20time.)

    they went so far as to offer HIGHER taxes if the Colonies would be given Commonwealth independence status

  3. I mean, if we had great social services and great benefits and stuff, I’m okay with paying taxes. I don’t like the “taxes are bad” narrative.

    But of course, in America, this doesn’t happen at all. And our taxes are also disproportionately targeted towards the poor, especially after the “BBB”.

    I’d rather focus on those points, rather than “taxes are bad”.

  4. I think people just can’t understand large numbers. If you make 10 billion dollars and get taxed 90% (so you keep only a billion) you still have more money than like all but 3,000 people on the planet. That’s assuming you started the year with 0 dollars. You can’t compare a billionaire getting taxed 90 to someone who makes 50k getting taxed 90%, the two numbers are so far apart they aren’t even remotely the same things.

  5. As a proud colonial, I hope “y’all” can pull out of this mess you’re in. Sincerely.

  6. Trust me, they wouldn’t be any better off if they where still British 😂

  7. If you get into the details, the original Tea Party was the destruction of private property to protest a corporate tax cut.

  8. Today it’s only 37% and you gotta be plantation-rich to pay that so that’s a double lie.

  9. 1776: The government might possibly help you if you’re being attacked by a foreign nation. If you’re rich enough they’ll also guard your money.

    Now: The government will supply you with roads, electricity, water, plumbing, protect you from fires, keep poison out of your food, subsidize your medicine, relocate you if there’s a flood, maintain a global network of satellites so you don’t get lost, give your kids education, etc.

  10. Taxes are supposed to pay for things our society needs to function. I think most people are fine with that, but instead of that we are giving ICE six times the annual budget of the FAA

    Also our highest tax rate is still under 40%, which is incredibly low and greatly benefits the top 1%

  11. For fun, read the whole Declaration of Independence. Focus on the list of grievances. Then, compare that list to things happening today.

    “No taxation without representation” is the **least** of the common threads.

  12. I don’t mind paying taxes, but fucking rich people need to pay their share. fuck em.

  13. This meme is fucking stupid and only perpetuates ignorance and misunderstanding of real issues.

  14. The issue wasn’t paying tax the issue was and say it with me:

    **“No taxation without representation”**

    No one had an issue paying taxes, taxes were not a new concept. The issue they had was taxes imposed by a government they had no representation in parliament.

    This is a dumb meme made by someone who failed grade school IS history.

  15. This meme is so poorly made. The speech bubbles aren’t even pointing in the right place, and the message is asinine after a massive tax cut just passed that’s blowing a hole in the budget. Income tax, particularly progressive income tax with higher taxes on the upper tiers of income, is the best form of tax, hands-down.
    Well, besides consumption tax on things people shouldn’t be consuming, like tobacco.

  16. I would actually be ok with the 40%, IF we were actually getting things that helped out everyone. Universal healthcare, basic income, fix the homeless situation, upkeep the infrastructure, things like that.

  17. Pay 40% *and get hardly anything in return* aside from a mighty military.

    That’s the kicker. I’m living in Ireland the last 13 years, and we pay 23% on the first €39,000 and 40% on everything above that. It definitely seems like a ton of taxes… until you realize all the social safety nets we get, the national healthcare, the cheaper schools and colleges, the child subsidies for growing families, the national pension program, etc etc etc.

    Oh, and also, I don’t look over my shoulder in big box stores or concerts fearing a mass shooting, and I’m not afraid to turn around in a random driveway if I’m lost. And I’ll never get killed by a cop for doing nothing wrong. Our cops don’t even carry guns.

    Come on over, the water’s freezing but it’s grand!

  18. I’m sure that random apostrophe was put there by a human and not AI /s

  19. These types of comics completely misrepresents the actual gripe about taxes in the pre revolutionary era of the states. It wasnt about taxes alone. If it were only about taxes, why did the revolutionary government impose taxes during and after the war?

    These types of arguments are usually used by the wealthy to rally support for them to recieve more tax cuts.

  20. “We don’t pay taxes. Only little people pay taxes”

  21. Maga will applaud the top image while cheering Trump’s tariffs.

  22. 1776: a gun takes 30 seconds to reload

    2025: the gun is on a robot dog and legislation just gave the dogs police rights

  23. Always gotta love oversimplifying history.

    Just wait until you see the highest marginal tax rate in the 40’s and 50’s when Americans reminisce the country was great without realizing what it took to accomplish that.

  24. I mean, realistically, the “founding fathers” probably were a bunch of spoiled asshole rich guys who just didn’t want to pay taxes. Or, if you believe the myth and their rhetoric, the problem wasn’t paying taxes at all, but the infringements on their liberty, one of which was “taxation without representation”.

    And if you want to talk about the shit going on that they wouldn’t have liked, let’s talk about some of the real shit Republicans are doing right now. Some options:

    * The joining of church and state.
    * Making the president into a King with absolute power, disempowering both Congress and the courts.
    * The complete disregard for people’s rights.
    * The violations of people’s freedom of speech.

    But no, forget that and whine about the fact that you have to pay taxes, which is totally fine and permissible according to the Constitution.

  25. Who in this thread is actually paying anything close to 40%?

  26. I’m just spitballing here, but maybe the gov’t is doing a little more these days?

    I mean, schools, fire departments, airports, etc?

  27. And tariffs? Those are the taxes on imported goods like tea and paper

  28. Pay 40% of my income for a healthy civilization? Sure.

    Pay 10% of my income for a non-stop Christofascist shit show? That’s another kettle of fish.

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