Russia Makes As Much Ammo in 3 Months As NATO in a Year: Mark Rutte

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1. Not surprising at all given almost the entirety of Russias production output has completely transitioned to the military over the last few years. They’re also using significantly more ammo than America is right now.

   Edit: also this will probably speak differently depending on your opinion of the war so just keep in mind I’m speaking very generally here: this is also one of the reasons why Russia refuses to meet for peace. It is economic suicide for them to end the war in any rapid fashion. If their manufacturing output is all militaristic instead of for consumers, that’s a lot of lost money.

2. Schrodinger’s Russia is simultaneously both weak and running out of ammo any day now, when the argument comes to prolonging the conflict for as long as possible – and an industrial powerhouse that’s outproducing the entire west by an order of magnitude when the otherwise unpopular increase in domestic military spending needs to be justified somehow.

   Forget about Russia, North Korea alone out produces the west in terms of ammunition. Imagine if they are given advanced blueprints for more sophisticated stuff than regular artillery shells.

   All the while Europe chest thumps and talks a lot of mad shit about their GDPs and how powerful they are, while severely lacking in actual industrial and manufacturing capacity to back it all up. Stocks, the service industry, and a whole lot of zero-sum paper pushing can produce a lot of big GDP numbers that won’t buy you a loaf of bread, a bullet, a tank or a plane if there are none of these things up for sale because the manufacturing cannot keep up, or is simply nonexisting.

3. Europe should rearm for deterrence only. We see what the war is doing to both sides demographics. Most European frontline nations would completely collapse demographically even more in a forward intervention scenario, even in a winning scenario leaving them with no scenario of rebounding. Whats also needed, more industrial vocational training even if its just civilian, can be converted militarily, as most people seem not to pursue those sectors. Btw. Look at China. Yeah they are developing at rapid pace for their economoc clout but that can also be rapidly used for defence. Europe lacks this.

4. Headline: War guy wants more war.

   If you look in old European news articles from the 1900s and early 1910s, a lot of it was crap like this. Luckily, all that escalation and jingoism lead to the 1914 First World Peace, so we have nothing to worry about today either. /s

5. Europe needs to increase its ammo output for sure, but let’s not get scared.

   1500 tanks – yes, but that’s including repaired and refurbished ones. They refurbish 300 T-64 per year, building 350 T-72 series, of which only 150 are fitted to T-90 standard, the rest is using gen1 optoelectronics. The rest are tanks that are repaired and/or pulled out of storage (which often have only the seals changed – so still in category of refurbished, but not really upgraded in any other way)

   With Iskander missiles – don’t forget there are two types of them. Iskander-M, which is aeroballistic, and Iskander-K – which is a cruise missile (K- from krylata -“winged”). Russia is manufacturing 150 Iskander M per year, but this actually will change in 2 months when it will be ramped up to 25 per month (roughly 300 per year). It was supposed to happen last year, but due to some … issues (terminal velocity only Mach 2.5, so falling into Patriot PAC 2 envelope, which caused a lead designer being fired) it was delayed. Iskander-K is manufactured at a pace which allows replenishment of it, but due to shortage of small turbojet engines, which are mostly used in superior missiles like Kh-101 and Kh-65, they are manufactured at the rate of 30-35 per year.

   This will change next year, when last T-64 will be dug out of the storage and the refurbishing program will end (it was scheduled for 3 years). The plan is then to move fully from refurbishing to production and move refurbishing to recently started to be rebuild – repair centers. It would allow to manufacture 600 new tanks per year and refurbish/refit/repair around a 1000-1200 more. However to do so, Russia needs additional 50 000 workers in steel and heavy machinery industry, which have to be mostly imported. As they sent their own to the front lines.

6. No shit they are, they’re in an active war. Why would NATO need to do that? We’re not trying to topple of free nation currently. It would literally all go sit in a warehouse somewhere like a damn Indiana Jones movie. Imagine doing that for decades and the level of waste produced from unused mountains of munitions collecting dust. Why in the Sam fuck would we need to do that right now? What a complete monkey. 

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