This week on Lever Time, David Sirota spoke with two provocative economic thinkers about what is really at stake in the battle between President Donald Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell over who should control the country’s central banking system — and how this clash affects millions of Americans. As part of the episode, we featured two perspectives: one against the Federal Reserve’s independence and one in defence of it. 

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In this interview, Matt Stoller, director of research at the American Economic Liberties Project and author of the newsletter Big, argues that keeping the Federal Reserve independent of political pressure is bad for democracy and the economy. 

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