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Be under no illusion: Trump’s betrayal of Ukraine is a shocking tragedy



by brezhnervouz

16 comments

  1. It’s not remotely shocking unless you have been in a coma the last decade.

    Fortunately, while Trump can have his little games, the arms keep flowing.

  5. This isn’t shocking and Trump isn’t getting ‘played’ by Putin. He does not care. He wants russia to win so he can do business and make money. Stop the insanity of bs

  7. I don’t see why Ukraine and it’s allies even bother to keep talking to Trump. It’s all just a waste of time and energy. Trump will normalize relations with Russia, end sanctions, and do nothing to support Ukraine. It is only a waste of energy to keep trying to change his mind.

  8. Why was the Republican election campaigning so focused on Democratic pedophilia and Epstein? Especially when Trump knew he was in the files? I thought it was just them trying everything and seeing what sticks.

    But now, I think that was Russia’s doing. Their bot farm promoted something that could bite Trump in the ass so that their compromat would have maximum leverage, in meetings exactly such as this.

    I don’t think Trump ever wanted to campaign on the Epstein files especially since he would be expected to publish them as soon as he won. That was not his choice, and he couldn’t publicly go against these Russian bot attacks because that would immediately make him look guilty.

    His frustration “why are we still talking about this?” makes a lot more sense in this context and is the cry of a trapped man. It also makes more sense why we are seeing conflicting messages on this over the last few months: now we have the Russian bots and the Republican establishment on the opposite sides.

    This interestingly, puts America in a difficult position. The worse Trump’s approval rating gets, the more Russia can leverage and win. Is America ready to suck up to P******** Trump?

    P.S. Trump will f*** Ukraine. Always has, always will. Thank Zelensky, the man who stopped the rebirth of USSR and cancelled WW3.

  9. Tragedy? Yes. Shocking? No! We all knew that he would betray Ukraine. He’s a Russian stooge and Putin reminded him and his entourage of that in Alaska.

  10. But do you want to understand that it’s all a farce? Trump and Putin won. Russia has corrupted the United States, seeing the United States today no longer the guardians or the sheriffs or the good guys of the world, it is the Russian plan that is being implemented. So what does the US gain? Simple. The world after the Second World War was under US influence under the guise of “we will protect you,” bewitched and weakened Europe by “disarming” it, diverted markets to Asia (China), growing those countries that were poor and creating a budgetary force that they now want to unbalance in favour of the Eastern countries. So today Europe needs the US, the US has been on a foot in the West and an foot in the East, now that they too have “stolen” from Europe and “imposed” their influence, now they come out into the open, just remember this: EU vs USA, USSR and China. So we need to create new alliances. Canada, Australia and countries that are enemies of the USSR and the United States allied with Europe, we defeat the Dictatorship, the future of Ukraine is not at stake here, but of the Libyan free world. Putin has repeatedly said that he wants a “bipolar” world governed by the US and the USSR: imagine we are talking about all the countries under the rule of two men. What did the Mafia do at the beginning? The territories were being contested! but then, in order to avoid “useless” blood baths, “collaborated,” zones and cities were divided and today we no longer hear about mafia wars. Putin is a murderer and a mobster has simply done this. The world must understand this, we must unload the traitors and create new alliances and not
    be afraid of war if you don’t want to suffer. Stop watching videos and psychosis “on why?” It is not a plan conceived a year ago but many years ago. Trojan horse, does it tell you anything? Trump’s game with Europe is one! He pretends to listen to them, he makes fake threats, but the aim is to extort Dani from higher and higher. Why is China (who says they hate) in 90 days tariffs and Europe no longer looking at it with a good eye right away? Read between the lines, avoid the fake news of Russian bots, reason, wake up Europe!

  11. Even as a supporter of Ukraine’s war effort, I take exception to the word betrayal. It implies that we have an obligation to give Ukraine whatever it needs to win. We don’t. We’ve given far more than any other nation, and if we decide to say okay… that was our budget for this endeavor, we have the right to do so. It’s not a betrayal.

    People forget that Ukraine is an unaligned nation. Anything they get is charity. We kept them in the game for a long time; we are in no way obligated to see it through to the end. Personally, I think that any measures that would prevent a Russian victory would at this point be too steep a price to pay. Sanctions that would hurt our own economies are a terrible idea. So is sending our own flesh and blood to get shot at.

  12. Have to trust someone to be betrayed. I never did.

  13. Trump just wants “a deal” any deal, so he can parade around as peace keeper and beg for a Nobel prize. He doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine and their land.

  14. You don’t have to know the motivation, you don’t need to know the details, whatever got him there is not important, Trump serves the needs of the Kremlin and NOT the Untied States of America. The evidence is in his action.

  16. I don’t think, you are aware of the trick in progress. A previous president Biden told – truthfully – that Putin is a crazy SOB:

    [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/biden-calls-putin-crazy-sob-kremlin-debased-america-trump-navalny-rcna139929](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/biden-calls-putin-crazy-sob-kremlin-debased-america-trump-navalny-rcna139929)

    In all truthfulness, this is all true – however, by saying this, he closed the door to Putin. Not only for him, but for US in general. This is not wise.

    One needs to be close to it’s perceived enemy, to observe him up-close in talk to him. What Trump did, he appeased Putin, so that Putin is not so isolated. Trump still does that, appease Putin. So Putin talks.

    I don’t think, this will help, but careful observers already revealed, the biggest weakness of Putin and Russia in general is their economy. They are not bankrupting however, they are closer and closer to unfavorable positions. Closer and closer.

    Plus, the weapons flow still flows to Ukraine from US, so that delights managers in big defense companies. They would most likely be happy with that war lasting forever. If the war would end abruptly, those managers would not be happy. They would intervene by Trump and his associates.

    As for the moment, nothing is lost or being bad, really.

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