I love kebabs, but I’m not marching through the streets about it.
Cé hé an grúpa ata ag cur on agóid seo cun chinn? Níl sé scríofa ar an íomha.
Who wants to explain why for the Irish Language?
Irish ppl want it spoken or learned more but govt opposed? Curious because most Irish ppl I know admit they don’t know it too well and are not interested in it
Protest against what? The people choose not to speak it.
edit: lol, keep your heads in the sand
Explanation for why there’s a protest.
Tithíocht (housing) : in the Gaeltachtaí (and across rural Ireland in general), it’s very difficult to get planning to build a house. So many people opt to buy a house and do it up. Unfortunately there’s a huge amount of holiday homes in the Gaeltachtaí so many houses that go up for sale are quickly swooped up by people who live in the house for 2 or 3 weeks of the year or keep it as an air b&b. And because of the planning restrictions, it makes it almost impossible to build on a plot of land. Soyoung couples who wish to settle in their áint dhúchais can not do so. It’s pushing young people out of the Gaeltacht who wish to settle there. The life of the Gaeltacht is the people in it. If young people can not raise families in the Gaeltacht, there will be no Gaeltacht. The protest of housing is to change these issues.
Maoiniú (funding) : There was funding cut from many Irish language organisations this year and last. This means that money that would be spent to help Irish speaking communities, such as buil amenities through Irish, is gone. This funding cut every few years must stop. If you wish to read about some funding cuts, I will leave a link here.
Oideachas (education) : People should understand this handy enough. When you ask someone, “Why don’t you speak Irish?” They almost always blame the education system. The education system is doing more damage to the language than good. The whole subject is taught like Latin for over a decade of almost every Irish person’s life, yet most the country couldn’t string three sentences together, never mind hold a conversation. Better education is needed so the language has a place amongst everyone. Everyone should be able to speak it fluently and choose whether they conduct their day through Irish or English. If everyone had a better education through Irish, pepper would be more confident and then be more inclined to speak it. The secondary school Irish curriculum is almost a carbon copy of the English one. You study literature, but you might not know how to write anything yourself. The education system has failed every generation since independence. And this needs to change.
On another note for the education system. Teachers are taught to teach a curriculum using the Caighdeán Oifigiúil. The national written standard of Irish. Unfortunately, this also gets taught as a spoken dialect, which is beginning to erode dialects to the point where a lot of people, even in Connacht, dont know what fataí, sciobtha, or muid are. There’s 20 spoken dialects and even more subdialects within that. The education system in its current form threatens those dialects.
Cearta theanga (language rights) : This one is self-explanatory.
The funding stuff and most of the NI stuff I agree with 100%.
The education stuff is a disaster. More of the same completely failed policies. Complete lack of engagement with disability rights groups AGAIN – just more tedious ableism.
The housing stuff is also unobjectionable in the sense that housing is indeed a huge problem but it’s obvious they don’t actually know how to solve it. None of the solutions are workable (at least without solving housing for everywhere, and even then..) Their proposals are much vaguer than the other policies. Which is fair enough because like everybody, they don’t actually know how to solve it.
The language rights stuff is crazy. The State has set a goal of 20% of all public sector jobs being recruited from the 2% of the population that can speak Irish well and they are still complaining?
Tl;dr: absolutely throw money at them. We’ve loads of money. Fund everything. They should have double the funding.
But every other suggestion involves doubling and tripling down on policies that are based in compulsion. Forcing it doesn’t work. It’s totally counter productive. Way better to spend tons of money on people who want it than forcing it on people who don’t.
One thing I will say is that forcing Irish on people makes you NOT want to learn it.
We weren’t allowed learn Polish instead of Irish in our school, despite having enough teachers who know it and standing to actually benefit from being able to talk to our friends in the school. Irish instead, which we all hated as it didn’t promote any kind of communication or connection to culture, it was just forced grammar lessons and boring shite.
Irish needs to be offered in every school as an optional language. But now going back to learn it myself I find it easier and better than an hour plus of class every week, for which we were sacrificing an actual bridge language we could’ve all used.
Protect Irish, but the school stuff has managed to push an entire population away from the language.
Slight tangent/hijack.
Is there anyone else who loves the language, was totally put off it in school due to the teaching and or teacher,.and finds themselves with basically no time to do anything about learning it as a adult due to work/kids etc?
I’d love to get stuck into the language again but it feels impossible.
honestly no , the gealteacht already get record ammount of funding though the government , if people want to learn / use irish they already can ,
building more one off housing wont help ,
forcing people to learn it in the education system wont help
The housing point is a tough one as it’s something the whole country faces. Very few of us can buy where we grew up. Whether priced out in cities or similar planning restrictions elsewhere.
Countryside Ireland would be much better off if people lived in villages. If they ease restrictions on one off housing specifically in gaeltacht areas then I think the language spoken there will be diluted even further as half the country will be trying to move there. I visited spideal last year for the first time in a while and didnt overhear a single comhra as gaeilge. I tried to speak a cupla focail in the shops and was responded to in English…
Gaeltacht communities essentially survive on grants and tourism. I’d love to see air bnbs banned all the same. If they could build a few housing estates and somehow only allow people to purchase with a commitment to actually living there and speaking the language that’d be class.
A lot of many cunts here saying people choose not to speak Irish. I know many that would love to speak it but were so let down by the education system that they can’t, and it’s fuckin hard to learn a language as an adult. It’s not as simple as a choice.
Tir gan teanga, tir gan ainm 👊
Beidh mé ann
I don’t and I have no idea where to start. I’ve tried Duolingo and it’s pretty shite.
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What exactly is this protest for?
I love kebabs, but I’m not marching through the streets about it.
Cé hé an grúpa ata ag cur on agóid seo cun chinn? Níl sé scríofa ar an íomha.
Who wants to explain why for the Irish Language?
Irish ppl want it spoken or learned more but govt opposed? Curious because most Irish ppl I know admit they don’t know it too well and are not interested in it
Protest against what? The people choose not to speak it.
edit: lol, keep your heads in the sand
Explanation for why there’s a protest.
Tithíocht (housing) : in the Gaeltachtaí (and across rural Ireland in general), it’s very difficult to get planning to build a house. So many people opt to buy a house and do it up. Unfortunately there’s a huge amount of holiday homes in the Gaeltachtaí so many houses that go up for sale are quickly swooped up by people who live in the house for 2 or 3 weeks of the year or keep it as an air b&b. And because of the planning restrictions, it makes it almost impossible to build on a plot of land. Soyoung couples who wish to settle in their áint dhúchais can not do so. It’s pushing young people out of the Gaeltacht who wish to settle there. The life of the Gaeltacht is the people in it. If young people can not raise families in the Gaeltacht, there will be no Gaeltacht. The protest of housing is to change these issues.
Maoiniú (funding) : There was funding cut from many Irish language organisations this year and last. This means that money that would be spent to help Irish speaking communities, such as buil amenities through Irish, is gone. This funding cut every few years must stop. If you wish to read about some funding cuts, I will leave a link here.
https://www.cnag.ie/en/nuacht/1937-irish-language-groups-from-across-ireland-convene-%E2%80%9Ccrisis-assembly%E2%80%9D,-challenging-both-governments-north-and-south-on-unsustainable-funding-situation.html
Oideachas (education) : People should understand this handy enough. When you ask someone, “Why don’t you speak Irish?” They almost always blame the education system. The education system is doing more damage to the language than good. The whole subject is taught like Latin for over a decade of almost every Irish person’s life, yet most the country couldn’t string three sentences together, never mind hold a conversation. Better education is needed so the language has a place amongst everyone. Everyone should be able to speak it fluently and choose whether they conduct their day through Irish or English. If everyone had a better education through Irish, pepper would be more confident and then be more inclined to speak it. The secondary school Irish curriculum is almost a carbon copy of the English one. You study literature, but you might not know how to write anything yourself. The education system has failed every generation since independence. And this needs to change.
On another note for the education system. Teachers are taught to teach a curriculum using the Caighdeán Oifigiúil. The national written standard of Irish. Unfortunately, this also gets taught as a spoken dialect, which is beginning to erode dialects to the point where a lot of people, even in Connacht, dont know what fataí, sciobtha, or muid are. There’s 20 spoken dialects and even more subdialects within that. The education system in its current form threatens those dialects.
Cearta theanga (language rights) : This one is self-explanatory.
You can see the specific demands here:
https://cnag.ie/en/get-involved/cearta-national-protest-for-the-irish-language.html
The funding stuff and most of the NI stuff I agree with 100%.
The education stuff is a disaster. More of the same completely failed policies. Complete lack of engagement with disability rights groups AGAIN – just more tedious ableism.
The housing stuff is also unobjectionable in the sense that housing is indeed a huge problem but it’s obvious they don’t actually know how to solve it. None of the solutions are workable (at least without solving housing for everywhere, and even then..) Their proposals are much vaguer than the other policies. Which is fair enough because like everybody, they don’t actually know how to solve it.
The language rights stuff is crazy. The State has set a goal of 20% of all public sector jobs being recruited from the 2% of the population that can speak Irish well and they are still complaining?
Tl;dr: absolutely throw money at them. We’ve loads of money. Fund everything. They should have double the funding.
But every other suggestion involves doubling and tripling down on policies that are based in compulsion. Forcing it doesn’t work. It’s totally counter productive. Way better to spend tons of money on people who want it than forcing it on people who don’t.
One thing I will say is that forcing Irish on people makes you NOT want to learn it.
We weren’t allowed learn Polish instead of Irish in our school, despite having enough teachers who know it and standing to actually benefit from being able to talk to our friends in the school. Irish instead, which we all hated as it didn’t promote any kind of communication or connection to culture, it was just forced grammar lessons and boring shite.
Irish needs to be offered in every school as an optional language. But now going back to learn it myself I find it easier and better than an hour plus of class every week, for which we were sacrificing an actual bridge language we could’ve all used.
Protect Irish, but the school stuff has managed to push an entire population away from the language.
Slight tangent/hijack.
Is there anyone else who loves the language, was totally put off it in school due to the teaching and or teacher,.and finds themselves with basically no time to do anything about learning it as a adult due to work/kids etc?
I’d love to get stuck into the language again but it feels impossible.
honestly no , the gealteacht already get record ammount of funding though the government , if people want to learn / use irish they already can ,
building more one off housing wont help ,
forcing people to learn it in the education system wont help
The housing point is a tough one as it’s something the whole country faces. Very few of us can buy where we grew up. Whether priced out in cities or similar planning restrictions elsewhere.
Countryside Ireland would be much better off if people lived in villages. If they ease restrictions on one off housing specifically in gaeltacht areas then I think the language spoken there will be diluted even further as half the country will be trying to move there. I visited spideal last year for the first time in a while and didnt overhear a single comhra as gaeilge. I tried to speak a cupla focail in the shops and was responded to in English…
Gaeltacht communities essentially survive on grants and tourism. I’d love to see air bnbs banned all the same. If they could build a few housing estates and somehow only allow people to purchase with a commitment to actually living there and speaking the language that’d be class.
A lot of many cunts here saying people choose not to speak Irish. I know many that would love to speak it but were so let down by the education system that they can’t, and it’s fuckin hard to learn a language as an adult. It’s not as simple as a choice.
Tir gan teanga, tir gan ainm 👊
Beidh mé ann
I don’t and I have no idea where to start. I’ve tried Duolingo and it’s pretty shite.
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