MSNBC Blames Charlie Kirk for His Own Murder: ‘Hateful Thoughts Lead to Hateful Words, Which Then Lead to Hateful Actions’

MSNBC Blames Charlie Kirk for His Own Murder: ‘Hateful Thoughts Lead to Hateful Words, Which Then Lead to Hateful Actions’



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  1. Man who says that school shootings are the price we pay for our guns gets shot at school.

    Man who says that empathy is detestable, made up and damaging gets very little empathy from most sane adults.

    He’s dead.

    Thoughts and prayers.

  2. The guy got fired for it and is well on his way to being canceled. Not saying I agree or disagree with it but Charlie wasn’t canceled when he said Paul Pelosi deserved getting assaulted with a hammer and a “[patriot](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-bail-out-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-1234621493/)” should bail out his attacker.

    I do, however, believe hate begets hate. On all sides.

    When public figures normalize rhetoric that some deaths are “worth it,” people are getting undeserved advantages based on skin color, or that rape has gray areas and exceptions that shouldn’t exist, they create a narrative that dehumanizes certain groups (e.g., women, immigrants, minorities). It also legitimizes violence as an unfortunate but acceptable “cost.” All of this primes listeners (like young college kids) to see violence not as a crime but as a justified act of defense.

    A good example is his “Great Replacement” theory that tells audiences that they are under siege by other Americans who are causing them to lose their culture, their rights, or very existence. When paired with language like “gun deaths are worth it,” the message becomes clear that violence is a reasonable, even patriotic, response to survival. It validates people’s fears with a ready-made justification: if you think you’re being “replaced,” the leap to seeing others as enemies becomes short.

    Another good example is rape. Kirk said that sex after no is a “[gray area](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJMd0tsxksm/?igsh=MTI1djEycTdrbzBqbg==)” and when asked whether he would support abortion if his own 10-year-old daughter were raped and became pregnant, Kirk replied, “[yes, the child would be born.](https://x.com/_iqazal_/status/1965889347280056466)” Talk about rape in the context of abortion bans—denying exceptions, downplaying consent—suggests women’s autonomy is less important than ideology, treat sex and reproduction as arenas where women’s choices don’t matter, and reinforce the belief (already present in young mens’ online “incel” communities) that women owe sex, and that withholding it is a provocation. This creates a combustible mix where men who feel rejected or powerless are told by influencers that their suffering is real, that women are the problem, and that violence is an acceptable answer to being denied what they think is owed.

    Put together, the combination of ideas foments a worldview where violence against “outsiders” or women is not only predictable, but feels justified. That’s why shootings, hate crimes, and assaults often come with manifestos echoing the same themes.

  3. the media and political classes gasped and guffawed in the old times when Trump called McCain a dumb loser or whatever and it won him the hooting adoration of his base, but there’s nobody in the Democratic party that has the balls to call Kirk an incendiary piece of shit even though everyone knows it

    every dem is a lickspittle to their republican lords

  4. Yeah, and? Hateful thoughts do lead to hateful words which often lead to hateful actions. We can find thousands of examples of that. The main issue is, it seems to be super lopsided for one side of the political arena than the other when it comes to these hateful things. I’ll let you just try to guess which one it is.

  5. When we catch the killer a patriot should bail them out and ask them some questions.

    Just following the advise Kirk gave listeners when opining about the Pelosi attempted murder.

    Gotta love people who change their principles depending upon the perceived ideologies of who they are referring to. 

  6. I’m waiting for all the “free speech” folks to start defending this guy.

    Waiting….waiting….still waiting….

  7. Identifying cycles of hate and violence is “blaming him”?

    But hey, he got fired, so now Republicans can cry about how mean the dems are while openly exalting far worse rhetoric from their own side.

  8. Charlie Kirk (2023): “I think it’s worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”

    Paying the cost to be the boss.

  11. Three days ago Trump took a ‘tougher stance’ on Putin. 2 days later, Charlie Kirk is killed by a skilled marksman and expert at evasion. Trump gets the message and declares war on half of the USA.

  12. JFC, I was so incensed watching MSNBC yesterday. Everyone was praising Kirk as someone “who liked to debate” and how much he was “admired” by those on the right, blah, blah, blah. Who the fuck cares. He was still a misogynist, racist, homophobe and xenophobe who incited countless others to his way of thinking. And him being dead doesn’t change that. Nothing that Matthew Dowd said was wrong or incorrect. MSNBC are a bunch of spineless wusses who are scared of Cankles McTaco Shit. They should be ashamed.

  17. In an upside down world, the obvious is screamed at.

  18. Matthew Dowd did nothing wrong. He’s 100% correct. If you go around spewing hatred all day and make victims out of other people, you should expect that hatred to come and roost at your own door.

  20. I would hate to disrespect Charlie’s work by showing him empathy, so it’s with a light heart that I send my deepest 

    Oh noes and Anyways.

  21. When you figure out that outrage sells it sets you on a steep slope. When Fox News began their campaign of performative outrage it set us on a path leading to violence. America is a country soaked in blood, and unless we shut down these news outlets, or we collectively decide to stop letting our outrage dictate our attention it is going to get a lot bloodier.

  23. “Hateful Thoughts Lead to Hateful Words, Which Then Lead to Hateful Actions.”
    I would say that is pretty accurate which is why I try and have only have thoughts of Love, and surround myself with those who want the same.

  24. I’m so sick of these guys losing their jobs when they are literally telling the truth. Meanwhile trump rambles and it is normalized

  25. Yeah. Cuz he fucking said shitty shit about others being shot. Like wtf even is this title

  26. It’s stupid he got fired as worse things are said on Fox News all the time.

  28. That headline is disingenuous, He was not blamed for his own murder by anyone on the show. The guest simply pointed out how his words and messaging could be a reason for someone to do this. It’s called consequences.

  29. Everything this guy said was correct. Kirk’s own words discouraged empathy, encouraged violence and intolerance, and were hugely influential with the age group of the suspected shooter. As the MAGAts said repeatedly in 2016 onward: fuck their feelings.

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