That is because people think someone else will do the fighting for them..
I mean, in all fairness, we support it because we don’t have much of our own, or we don’t trust our own. At least that’s the vibe I’m getting from whatever society I interact with. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea, it’s just that a common army would kinda require federalization first and to iron out the veto kinks.
Long live the Federation!
All European Countries have to participate and support it equally based on capita and economic means.
Those colors are an accident, right?
I’m really surprised that this is over 40%.
Yes there should as long as it protects all nations sovereign rights equally.
And yes I am referring to the Aegean and Cyprus Turkish threat, Russia is not the only aggressor against EU nations.
If we want to become a Federation we need to act as one.
It’s better to invest in our RND and manufacturing instead of subsidizing red states in USA
Deliberate coloring i take it? Sacré bleu!
On the subject. An EU army is just the logical next step seeing as most of EU already are members of NATO. The only issue is who’s going to lead the army and that is the trillion euro question. As long as we have France, Germany and Italy that question will go unanswered.
I think most of europe supports it.
Im from the UK, and i support it. I support coming back to the EU as well, never wanted to leave.
I believe a European army cannot be established by European decision. It must be an organic process, because anything else would be considered a loss of sovereignty. A first step could be to further develop the existing cooperation between Germany and the Netherlands and merge the German-Dutch army into a multinational army, which could also work relatively easily. Because Germany and the Netherlands are culturally similar and have a similar salary structure, they have already merged and are de facto no longer independent armies.
We need a more Federal European Union
i dont think the us would like that..but if they would control it they would love it
Absolutely – aven though we already coorinate between countries in EU having a EU army would make everything way more effecient. AND it would be what Putin would hate/fear the most.
I think is a (justified) trend: the more to the east (and close to Russia) a country is, the more supportive of a European army they are.
Unless and until we go full federation (which I think will happen in the long run) I don’t believe in creating a European army. I think the EU works better coordinating the military build-up of the member states instead of attempting to run an army of it’s own. The risk is that if we do two things at once (build national defences AND a common EU-army), none of them will be very successful. Plus, I see huge issues with how to decide how the army is supposed to be used. Various member states will have various ideas, and commanding the damn thing will be a mess.
I want to speak to the Simion-EU Army voters.
sure
I’m all for a EU army, but that has no sense without a common diplomacy. We are far from it.
How many of those Romanian are ready to pay and die for it?
We have much higher military spending than Russia overall. It shouldn’t even be a competition or a problem that Russia could potentially beat us in a war. Yet complete over dependence on the US, structural inefficiencies, poor war preparations and a lack of integration has made it so many armies in Europe could only last a couple months against Russia before running out of supplies.
I think much like the Iran Iraq war, Russia has been like Iraq and despite losing so much equipment, Allie’s and people has overall become a much stronger army due to much better management and turning into a war economy that is able to produce enough resources to fight for a consistent period of time.
I think that a European army to counter Russia is clearly the solution now with the US becoming so unreliable. I also think that we should start selling less weapons and arming ourselves, and lower involvement in other conflicts, because realistically to us keeping Russia at bay and preventing them from taking the Baltic’s and helping Ukraine should be the main goal for NATO.
This would be so much better than having NATO
Europe should just provide nukes to Ukraine, let them join EU and they can lead the European army. They have earned it tenfold.
Probably more important what France, Germany and Poland think.
yes 100%
Why do they vote Georgescu, then?
100 hundred thousand ready and million soon.jpg
Wtf is even that …
Let’s just kick the US out of NATO.
Having worked with different countries within the SAF abroad, there is just no chance something like this works. Even though we are all European, we have vastly different interests. Sweden is interested and hyper focused on the Baltic Sea and Russia, the Mediterranean is much more interested in what’s going on with North Africa etc.
The European Army would never get anything done because we wouldn’t be able to come to terms on when, and where to deploy it. Unlike EU legislation, armies are structured like a dictatorship because they require very fast action to operate and answer to few people at the top to get things done. This is crucial for any functional military. Pushing through legislation through the EU does not have to move fast to function.
We already have a slow moving army like this in the United Nations. We already have Battlegroups within the EU, like our Nordic Battle Group, that are co-operations between nations with similar interests.
What we do need is to work together when it comes to industry. Greece in recent years have started producing some world class NVGs, they should fully focus on that and receive EU funds for this. Swedes, Brits, French and the Spanish are good at building jets. Germans build the tanks. Finns build APCs, and so on. Come to terms on what each country should focus on instead of everyone building their own APC. Then we all buy that single APC or whatever that we have all invested in, but is produced by X country.
There are just so many questions surrounding an EU army and I have yet to speak to anyone within the military that feels like it doesn’t simply just lead to more bureaucracy.
Damn right we do
There should, and it should be closely aligned with non-EU countries like the UK.
This more or less matches with the national identity demografics of Estonia – 2/3 Estonians and 1/3 Russians.
HRE army
The european army is the only one I would even consider fighting with in case of need.
No, I don’t want some other country to decide what my country does. Also considering the involvement of several European countries in the genocide of the Palestinian people, it would be easy to misuse any kind of united army regardless what some countries might think about such participation.
how was the question worded? were the polled people under the impression that this would be in addition to national forces or a replacement to them?
I wouldn’t enlist, I’ll leave that to the people voting yes
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That is because people think someone else will do the fighting for them..
I mean, in all fairness, we support it because we don’t have much of our own, or we don’t trust our own. At least that’s the vibe I’m getting from whatever society I interact with. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea, it’s just that a common army would kinda require federalization first and to iron out the veto kinks.
Long live the Federation!
All European Countries have to participate and support it equally based on capita and economic means.
Those colors are an accident, right?
I’m really surprised that this is over 40%.
Yes there should as long as it protects all nations sovereign rights equally.
And yes I am referring to the Aegean and Cyprus Turkish threat, Russia is not the only aggressor against EU nations.
If we want to become a Federation we need to act as one.
It’s better to invest in our RND and manufacturing instead of subsidizing red states in USA
Deliberate coloring i take it? Sacré bleu!
On the subject. An EU army is just the logical next step seeing as most of EU already are members of NATO. The only issue is who’s going to lead the army and that is the trillion euro question. As long as we have France, Germany and Italy that question will go unanswered.
I think most of europe supports it.
Im from the UK, and i support it. I support coming back to the EU as well, never wanted to leave.
I believe a European army cannot be established by European decision. It must be an organic process, because anything else would be considered a loss of sovereignty. A first step could be to further develop the existing cooperation between Germany and the Netherlands and merge the German-Dutch army into a multinational army, which could also work relatively easily. Because Germany and the Netherlands are culturally similar and have a similar salary structure, they have already merged and are de facto no longer independent armies.
We need a more Federal European Union
i dont think the us would like that..but if they would control it they would love it
Absolutely – aven though we already coorinate between countries in EU having a EU army would make everything way more effecient. AND it would be what Putin would hate/fear the most.
I think is a (justified) trend: the more to the east (and close to Russia) a country is, the more supportive of a European army they are.
Unless and until we go full federation (which I think will happen in the long run) I don’t believe in creating a European army. I think the EU works better coordinating the military build-up of the member states instead of attempting to run an army of it’s own. The risk is that if we do two things at once (build national defences AND a common EU-army), none of them will be very successful. Plus, I see huge issues with how to decide how the army is supposed to be used. Various member states will have various ideas, and commanding the damn thing will be a mess.
I want to speak to the Simion-EU Army voters.
sure
I’m all for a EU army, but that has no sense without a common diplomacy. We are far from it.
How many of those Romanian are ready to pay and die for it?
We have much higher military spending than Russia overall. It shouldn’t even be a competition or a problem that Russia could potentially beat us in a war. Yet complete over dependence on the US, structural inefficiencies, poor war preparations and a lack of integration has made it so many armies in Europe could only last a couple months against Russia before running out of supplies.
I think much like the Iran Iraq war, Russia has been like Iraq and despite losing so much equipment, Allie’s and people has overall become a much stronger army due to much better management and turning into a war economy that is able to produce enough resources to fight for a consistent period of time.
I think that a European army to counter Russia is clearly the solution now with the US becoming so unreliable. I also think that we should start selling less weapons and arming ourselves, and lower involvement in other conflicts, because realistically to us keeping Russia at bay and preventing them from taking the Baltic’s and helping Ukraine should be the main goal for NATO.
This would be so much better than having NATO
Europe should just provide nukes to Ukraine, let them join EU and they can lead the European army. They have earned it tenfold.
Probably more important what France, Germany and Poland think.
yes 100%
Why do they vote Georgescu, then?
100 hundred thousand ready and million soon.jpg
Wtf is even that …
Let’s just kick the US out of NATO.
Having worked with different countries within the SAF abroad, there is just no chance something like this works. Even though we are all European, we have vastly different interests. Sweden is interested and hyper focused on the Baltic Sea and Russia, the Mediterranean is much more interested in what’s going on with North Africa etc.
The European Army would never get anything done because we wouldn’t be able to come to terms on when, and where to deploy it. Unlike EU legislation, armies are structured like a dictatorship because they require very fast action to operate and answer to few people at the top to get things done. This is crucial for any functional military. Pushing through legislation through the EU does not have to move fast to function.
We already have a slow moving army like this in the United Nations. We already have Battlegroups within the EU, like our Nordic Battle Group, that are co-operations between nations with similar interests.
What we do need is to work together when it comes to industry. Greece in recent years have started producing some world class NVGs, they should fully focus on that and receive EU funds for this. Swedes, Brits, French and the Spanish are good at building jets. Germans build the tanks. Finns build APCs, and so on. Come to terms on what each country should focus on instead of everyone building their own APC. Then we all buy that single APC or whatever that we have all invested in, but is produced by X country.
There are just so many questions surrounding an EU army and I have yet to speak to anyone within the military that feels like it doesn’t simply just lead to more bureaucracy.
Damn right we do
There should, and it should be closely aligned with non-EU countries like the UK.
This more or less matches with the national identity demografics of Estonia – 2/3 Estonians and 1/3 Russians.
HRE army
The european army is the only one I would even consider fighting with in case of need.
No, I don’t want some other country to decide what my country does. Also considering the involvement of several European countries in the genocide of the Palestinian people, it would be easy to misuse any kind of united army regardless what some countries might think about such participation.
how was the question worded? were the polled people under the impression that this would be in addition to national forces or a replacement to them?
I wouldn’t enlist, I’ll leave that to the people voting yes
poland is against it
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