by Crow-Me-A-River

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  1. Too many people in the uk follow opinion like sheep – they havent a clue what labour has achieved

  2. Tories fuck stuff up for decades. A labour government gets in and is expected to unravel the gigantic ball of shit in under a few years. Media gives right wing all the attention because it sells their product by seeding division and hate and fear. Tories get voted in again (or maybe even something worse this time.) The cycle continues.

    Edit: Though despite his very good handling of Trump and Ukraine he’s definitely scored a few own goals. One of which was 3/4 inherited but hey ho.

    (And no I don’t vote either of those usually.)

  3. It’s fairly simple to explain, people had little expectation from Truss/Sunak/Johnson, while labour voters were really hoping for a change of pace when labour won the last election. Since that hasn’t happened, a lot more labour voters feel betrayed by Starmer than tory voters did by their respective pms

  4. Kuensberg was doing my head in this morning asking why he hadn’t achieved anything in 14 months, as if that was a long period of time. This Labour government have made a lot of mistakes but media framing is absolutely part of the story here.

  5. No. He’s been annoying as fuck but even close to how bad the previous cunts were.

  6. You’ve posted as statistically robust poll taken by a British polling council, so if you believe polling is reflective of people’s opinions and beliefs, you have answered you’re own question. Yes people currently prefer Truss/sunak/Johnson to starmer.

    The trouble for starmer is that only a fraction of his own party like him unlike the torys who yot behind their candidate. so Starmer has everyone whos not labour, plus a good fraction of labour lets for example say its a third. So he has 60% of the population who dislike him plus another 10% from that third of labour, so 20-25 % think hes ok, 75-80% don’t, so in this cartoon example he’s negative 55-60

    The other names you mentioned had the 60% odd who dont go Tory against them, vs the 35-40 odd who did. So net approval is net negative 20-30 odd.

  7. After such a terrible period in politics I think there was a general feeling of optimism that things might get better….. They didn’t. So now people are not just pissed off by the continued Tory policies but also by the feeling of being lied to.

    Everyone knows the Tories are awful and do awful things. Labour literally just had to stick to their manifesto to be seen as 1% better and they instead instantly came after the poor and elderly.

  8. It’s starting to feel like a massive betrayal.

    He’s acting like a Tory in a red tie.

    ID cards have finally killed him and his idea of Labour for me.

    Corbyn’s foreign policy makes me cringe, and the LD’s leader just seems to be in it for the lols.

    Which leaves Green. Just waiting for them to fuck it up now…

  9. Our country is just fucked, honestly.

    I think this is the new normal, no leader will be liked when 65%+ vote against you.

  10. As a whole? no.

    But the problem is in starmers attempt to please everyone, no one likes him. Hes alienated the left, the right despises him, and hes got himself in enough fuckups that the centre has lost faith in him too.

    Its also the let-down. Hopes were unreasonably high for some sort of messiah for pragmatism. but even if your baseline expectation was a lib dem in red I think your still dissapointed.

    Even Truss has some die-hard belivers in her weird ideological ways, sunak had some post-covid-goodwill and a bit of the core tory base. But whos inspired by starmer? Who belives in his ideology? I dont even know if he does.

    And thats what this poll shows, I doubt many think starmer is *worse* than truss, but starmer appeals to even less people than her.

  11. Aye he’s a slimey gimp that will sell us out to EU and WEF

  12. Truss – crashes the economy in a week, defeated by a lettuce. 

    Sunak – eat out to help out COVID spread. Austerity and defeated by the rain. 

    Boris – a complete clown, tackled a small child instead of th boats, got stuck trying hanging union jacks, presided over scandal after scandal such cash for honours, back door deals. Defeated by a fridge.

    Starmer – pushed through some useful reforms that seem labourish. Pushes through online safety bill, pissing off the internet but not the electorate. 

    No. They aren’t the same. 

    Starmer flip flops and u turned like crazy in the run up to the elections. However he’s been great on the international stage. He’s actually “doing” something about migrants and boat crossings.
    However the Woking class hate him as do the Working class. 

  13. He straight up lied and deceived his voters, doing a u-turn on all his pledges. Also, Labour was just a tactical vote for a lot of people.

    With the Tory’s, a spade is a spade really.

  14. He promised change and that energy prices would come down, then the first thing he tried to change was cutting pensioners heating allowance and energy prices are 10% higher than at the same time last year.

    Trying to prove he can wank himself off to a Union Jack better than Farage or the Tories has also gone down pretty poorly.

  15. When Thatcher died people danced in the streets, Starmer is less popular than her.

    Tony Blair started an illegal war that killed over a million people, Starmer is less popular than him.

    David Cameron gave UKIP a referendum than destroyed the economy of the UK and Starmer is less popular than him.

    Starmer is the least popular PM in the history of Britain so yes, he is worse than Truss/Sunak/Johnson.

  16. Tbh he’s no different from a Tory, just wearing a red tie. He is better than Truss, Sunak and Johnson though, just not by much tbh with the exception of Liz Truss, she was genuinely one of the worst PMs to grace the planet.

  17. Where this was going to go was very apparent to anyone willing to look before the election. Their only policy was ‘don’t be the Tories’ and they’ve clearly done no other work to develop policy during their years in opposition.

    Electorate patience at zero and little to no preparation despite knowing they were a shoo-in for at least two years. It’s unforgivable how they’ve gotten themselves into this mess.

  18. Truss, Sunak and Johnson all had visions for government. Terrible ones, but they had them, and so could get the backing of the section of the public who wanted that vision.

    Starmer doesn’t, and is also particularly bad at comms. As a result, he essentially has no base.

  19. Labour only got 33% of the vote in the first place, which is the lowest in history for a majority government, so there’s never been a great love for Starmer. He was more popular as Leader of the Opposition because he was then being compared against Johnson, Truss, and Sunak but now they’re gone he has to stand on his own merits – and he has managed to alienate a lot of his own voters on top of the 66% who already didn’t vote Labour.

  20. Successive failure’s of Westminster UK policies IE.Brexshit resulting in wholesale corruption & destroying the economy, clearly the UK as an Entity has swung so far to the right by the majority of the English based parties that Scotland has to be in charge of it’s own destiny again.

  21. I don’t know how you can think he’s doing worse, he’s doing what he can with the shit bag those precious three left him. It takes more than a year to sort out 14yrs of mess and labour are doing some good things, they’re just not pleasing the populists who are always the loudest, but re-nationalising energy, transport and infrastructure that the tories previously sold off to their mates for a quick buck (and which farage would re-sell in an instant) is good for us all in the long term

  22. Part of this is the inexplicable “natural party of govt” dividend the Tory party get.

    They are inherently seen as more competent and more responsible, where as Labour PMs have to do relatively little badly before they are seen as incompetent.

    Some of it is due to the right wing bias of the media. Some of it is frankly inexplicable. Truss was the worst leader this country has seen for a hundred years but somehow Starmer is worse.

  23. I think the real issue is that he has no integrity and labour is a shadow of what it’s meant to be

    He’s failed all the promises and you can say well it’s the 22bn blackhole in finances but his refusal to tax the rich and corporations who are dodging tax and shifting it onto the public via taxing ebay and vinted and various other things. Going after the winter fuel payment and the poor and disabled on benefits. Continuing to ruin the NHS and allowing further privatisation

    To bending over backwards to appeal to the right wing. The constant supply of weapons to Israel and support of genocide. He has no morals, no ethnics, no integrity, no conviction to anything so no one has confidence in him or the party. We wanted change after the last 14yrs not more of the status quo

  24. I feel these stats are rigged. Starmer is not great, but Bojo or Truss were definitely WAY WORSE.

  25. Prison for hurty words on X and 2-tier justice is the final straw for most.

  26. A better question would be – just how low would Johnson and Truss’ approval ratings have actually been if it wasn’t for foreign tax dodging media barons and Tufton Street “journalists” doing their best to prop them up with constant right wing propaganda?

  27. Starmer et al have managed to piss off every segment of society in a way not even the Tories managed.

  28. Everyone’s talking about expectations…that starmer hasn’t lived up to.

    That argument is idiotic (sorry)

    The Tories 14 years of Austerity has done so much damage to the country it is impossible for ANYONE to make the changes people want to see in a short time. The country can’t turn around in just 1 year, the many problems that exist. We are running in the Red, we don’t have the spare cash to start rebuilding. The Gov that took over in 24′ could only continue to put fires out.

    It will take generations to fix the mess we are in right now. Farage in 2029 is going to put us back again.

  29. People have had more time to really get to hate Starmer. Truss messed up the economy right out of the gate and was gone before you knew it. 

  30. They couldn’t have fucked it up worse.

    They had a post-COVID mandate for change. The country had been through a giant event like a war, pulled together and got through it. There was a mood for change—and they handed a mandate for it.

    Then they took power and governed in fear of the markets and the press.

    They could have ignored the press: the right wing press was never going to support them so there was no point in pandering to them. Look where we are now, the press has beaten them down into the gutter and they still haven’t done anything brave. They should have given the press something real to wail about. The people would have backed them once they saw it in action.

    The markets would have given some grace. They’d seen the lunacy of Truss printing money to give to the rich, but they also saw Sunak print money to save the economy. They could have gone all-in on growth from the bottom-up. The markets aren’t stupid and the moment the growth came in they’d have settled down. Every new pound spent on ordinary people, be it nurses or bin men, is at least 100% growth. The multiplier can be many times higher. They would have had to be bold and they would have had to explained it clearly but they could have succeeded.

    They made promises that were wish-washily kept. The majority wanted the utility companies and the trains back in public hands — especially water. Has that happened? I dunno, do you? They made some announcements—something about trains and something about making an energy company to hand out our cash to international companies—but there was no “from next Thursday they are now public again”. They could have told the train companies to suck it up and fuck off.

    So here we are. Being governed by the whims of the right wing press and Reform head office which has seemingly relocated to the BBC News department. (Why the fuck didn’t they tackle that?)

    The failure is catastrophic. Not only for the Labour Party but for democracy itself. The left have given up, the greens never get on TV, the Lib Dems are no better and seem to care more about being seen on a log flume than saying anything worth listening to.

    So the next government will be fascist, funded by Putin and the worst of the oligarchs (Peter Theil, Elon Musk) and the NHS will be dismantled.

    Well done you bunch of absolute fucking incompetent fuckwits. You were given a state of the art kitchen and the first thing you did was set yourself on fire.

  31. Yes, much worse, and the markets agree, gilts are worse than they got under Truss which triggered her resignation. They have not turned out to be remotely reliable on the economy. And it’s not just because of what they inherited but what they have done with it. The tories were a disaster, but labour have made it worse. 

  32. As a long-term Starmer loather – I’m afraid he *is* better than those 3 feckers. Then again, so is a block of wood.

  33. Dunno if I’d call him “worse” but he’s certainly not making himself look better. And now he’s trying to reintroduce Blair’s ridiculous ID card with dystopian database bullshit so he’s probably extra unpopular right now.

  34. I think Truss and Johnson are worse for sure. It’s not obvious on Sunak. I’d be leaning towards Sunak being better on balance, because every respect in which you might want to criticise Sunak also applies to Starmer, but Starmer has made some additional massive cockups.

  35. Honestly it’s pretty baffling. There was another article posted earlier with a poll stating people in Scotland think he is worse than trump (wtf?!).

    The press were out to get him before he was even inside number 10, and people just lap it up non stop. I bet most people couldn’t even explain exactly what policies they hate him for, and also what he’s done so far while in office.

    Could he do much better? Yeah. Is he worse than lettuce Liz? Absolutely not. Doesn’t help that the press are strongly pushing Farage into the narrative non stop, causing a huge uptick in nationalism.

  36. Truss appealed to those Hell-bent on damning everyone to a lower level of living standards. Starmer appeals to no one.

  37. OK, I’ll bite, anyone who has seen me post here knows I lean left, but I’d very certainly take David Cameron over Queer Harmer any day of the week

  38. Yes. And I felt that before he even got elected. He is pathetic and he’s not running anything. He’s controlled by puppeteers.

  39. “There are many whites who are trying to solve the problem, but you never see them going under the label of liberals. That person that you see calling himself a liberal is the most dangerous thing in the entire Western Hermisphere. He’s like a fox, and a fox is always more dangerous in the forest than the wolf. You can see the wolf coming. You know what he’s up to. But the fox will fool you. He comes at you with his mouth shaped in such a way that even though you see his teeth, you think he’s smiling and take him for a friend.”

    – Malcolm X

  40. He has honestly been so bad that if he were deliberately sabotaging himself, he couldn’t have done it better.

  41. Let me just put this in perspective;

    Johnson; Brexit debacle, screwed up Covid response, corruption to hell and back, Partygate, that questionable decision he made that got him sacked. Whole lot more I could say.

    Truss; No one voted for her and not even in a sense of “oh, we just don’t like her but we lost waaaaaaa!” Literally no one did, she got the position by default. Then managed in the span of a month to put us in the worse financial position since 2009 and perhaps even the Great Depression.

    Sunak; A minister by default like Truss. Unlikeable, corrupt, two-faced and more interested in literally anywhere else.

    Starmer had to meet the very high standard of “not literally the worst combination of all three people rolled into one” and he’d easily be in power for the next eight years. Would be looking at a Labour dominated Parliament for the foreseeable future.

    Instead, he’s without any exaggeration or opinion the most unpopular Prime Minister we’ve ever had who wants to be a friend of all men but a pal of none. He’s made the right angry by trying to stomp them out, he’s alienated the middle by being so far left that it hurts and his economic policies, he’s angered the elderly due to trying to screw them over repeatedly, he’s angered people my age because Reeves doesn’t know what she’s doing at absolute best. Even the left is starting to feel the squeeze.

    Don’t even get me started about how anyone who has a differing opinion is suddenly Himmler level racist according to him. There are vile and extremist people out there who attack people and mosques because they‘re Islam. These people need to be put away. End of story. There’s a difference between the far right thugs however and the people who are understandably worried about excessive job competition and the EXTREMELY tiny group of genuinely vile people coming across. The general population does not in fact want to send them to die or anything like that. They want a cap on immigration and to have the ones already here sorted through, vetted and dealt with appropriately. That’s why you’re seeing mass protests, mate. Not because suddenly half the country has gone neo-Nazi.

    Never attribute to incompetence what can be adequately explained by everything wrong with capitalism speed-ran into a single year.

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