Really unsure how these figures are dodgy? Seems an entirely reasonable claim from the Welsh Office that the figures show a massive gap.
Yes, a new government could borrow to fill that gap, but the gap still exists and government borrowing to pay for the day to day isn’t exactly a great idea.
I wonder what the labour affects would be? I’ve always considered my self British but I guess in this context I would be English, personally I wouldn’t want to navigate the assumed complexity of Welsh independence and would move back to England.
Obtain independent, nationalise resources, invest in infrastructure and youth, strong criminal penalties for corruption = equality, and fair equal growth for Wales.
The UK’s current £3 trillion deficit is already costing me — and you, and our children — over £43,000 a year.
I personally think that peddling these figures to scare monger against a Plaid party that has explicitly said independence is not on the table for this election is deeply irresponsible when the alternative in Wales is Reform.
Anyone who thinks independence doesn’t mean an immediate collapse in living standards is deluded.
It’s really not in Plaid’s interests to be having this debate right now. A good deal of the voters they need to convince to pull off the win next year are not at all won over to independence.
Getting into a row about the figures just draws attention to independence and makes it harder for Plaid to get in voters’ minds that independence is not a prospect for the next Senedd term.
I suspect Labour on the other hand will be pretty happy Plaid is taking the bait about this and moving on to their turf. They seem to be wanting to run a scare campaign against Plaid, which I’m not sure will work, but they’ll be glad every time independence gets brought up as an issue.
Leaving aside the financial element at the moment the bigger issue is institutional. Even compared to Scotland, Wales lacks a number of key institutions and systems which are part of independent statehood. Obvious examples being a distinct legal jurisdiction and national bank.
Labour when they have a chance at winning “anyone but the Tories, come on vote labour”
Labour when they are the secondary party *viciously attack the left parties trying to steal back the left vote.
Whatever the consequences of independence, flirting with the idea is definitely in our national interest. Scotland enjoys a very generous financial settlement thanks to the real possibility of them becoming independent and Northern Ireland does well out of Westminster as a way of resolving decades of armed conflict. The one guaranteed way of being treated as a third class nation within the Union is to be meek and passive.
If the UK government thinks there’s a chance we choose to go it alone they may finally start to treat us as equal partners in the Union.This would manifest itself in a needs based financial settlement for the Welsh government, and proper, fair investment in our infrastructure.
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Really unsure how these figures are dodgy? Seems an entirely reasonable claim from the Welsh Office that the figures show a massive gap.
Yes, a new government could borrow to fill that gap, but the gap still exists and government borrowing to pay for the day to day isn’t exactly a great idea.
I wonder what the labour affects would be? I’ve always considered my self British but I guess in this context I would be English, personally I wouldn’t want to navigate the assumed complexity of Welsh independence and would move back to England.
Obtain independent, nationalise resources, invest in infrastructure and youth, strong criminal penalties for corruption = equality, and fair equal growth for Wales.
The UK’s current £3 trillion deficit is already costing me — and you, and our children — over £43,000 a year.
I personally think that peddling these figures to scare monger against a Plaid party that has explicitly said independence is not on the table for this election is deeply irresponsible when the alternative in Wales is Reform.
Anyone who thinks independence doesn’t mean an immediate collapse in living standards is deluded.
It’s really not in Plaid’s interests to be having this debate right now. A good deal of the voters they need to convince to pull off the win next year are not at all won over to independence.
Getting into a row about the figures just draws attention to independence and makes it harder for Plaid to get in voters’ minds that independence is not a prospect for the next Senedd term.
I suspect Labour on the other hand will be pretty happy Plaid is taking the bait about this and moving on to their turf. They seem to be wanting to run a scare campaign against Plaid, which I’m not sure will work, but they’ll be glad every time independence gets brought up as an issue.
Leaving aside the financial element at the moment the bigger issue is institutional. Even compared to Scotland, Wales lacks a number of key institutions and systems which are part of independent statehood. Obvious examples being a distinct legal jurisdiction and national bank.
Labour when they have a chance at winning “anyone but the Tories, come on vote labour”
Labour when they are the secondary party *viciously attack the left parties trying to steal back the left vote.
Whatever the consequences of independence, flirting with the idea is definitely in our national interest. Scotland enjoys a very generous financial settlement thanks to the real possibility of them becoming independent and Northern Ireland does well out of Westminster as a way of resolving decades of armed conflict. The one guaranteed way of being treated as a third class nation within the Union is to be meek and passive.
If the UK government thinks there’s a chance we choose to go it alone they may finally start to treat us as equal partners in the Union.This would manifest itself in a needs based financial settlement for the Welsh government, and proper, fair investment in our infrastructure.
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