Russians captured just 1% of Ukraine in the last two years, and they still couldn’t take the Donetsk region in 11 years. So why should Ukraine surrender its territory?

by UNITED24Media

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  2. Surrendering a heavily fortified area is a no-go anyways. Why would Ukraine agree to that? Russia could just advance to the borders of the Donbass, say thank you and then roll their tanks to the Dniepr. No chance Ukraine would agree to surrender their defensive lines, well maybe unless there was a credible deterrent of any future russian aggression. But with diaper donny in the white house, the most we can expect is the orange felon receiving a dump tower in moscow and then him calling Putin americas greatest friend.

  3. Not everything is linear, front lines can break. We should support them militarily as long as they wish to continue the fight, but only the Ukrainians can decide whether they are willing and able to do so.

  5. I’ll get downvoted for my username and this stance, but you cannot demand to get something back what is lost on the battlefield. Yes, Russia isn’t exactly dominating, but they’ll get this land inch by inch in the next year anyways with the trend that’s going (massive losses, but they are still gaining).

    From the recent news i’ve heard, Ukraine is willing to concede some parts of the area, but not all of it (said by Sergey Kislitsa).

    What bargaining chip does Ukraine have over this territory? They have to start pushing and regaining territory to actually have a strong stance of “hey, why would we give this up, we’re getting it back”.

    Whatever happens in the end, unless you win it on the battlefield, Ukraine has to give up parts of this territory. If they can agree on exchange of whole area for withdrawal from Southern Front, I’d take it. But that’s just me.

  6. Never surrender, never lose territory and most importantly, never give up.
    Slava Ukraini.

    PS

    FUCK PUTIN
    AND
    FUCK TRUMP

  7. Not to mention the invasion is illegal and condemn by the UN.

  8. I cannot see this as being 1%. Visually I mean. What is the source to this %?

  9. Simples! Sulky orange man-baby says so. Kinda what happens when you let questionable, reality-TV simpletons get their hands on the nuclear codes.

  10. Europe needs to find its balls. Give up the Taurus and Meteor to Ukraine and let them put the hurt on the orcs!

  11. It’s crazy to think that this Russian “progress” would justify any peace plan that would put Ukraine in a weaker position than they are now. Ukraine is successfully defending itself. Russia is struggling on so many levels, time is absolutely not on their side. Despite certain challenges on the Ukrainian side, Russia is tumbling, not the other way round.

  12. If any country needs to be made smaller, it should be Russia.

  13. No bending down.
    Fight them back to the original borders and take Crimea back.
    There will never be peace if you give Russia even one inch of land.
    They have to learn because no one else taught them in the past.
    Trump could have been the president to show Russia its limits but he chickens out again.

  14. These graphs confuse me, how can they or what the media refers to with 1% when the image shows everything but 1%

  15. As a American who supports Ukraine and Did not Vote for the orange turd.

    FUCK TRUMP, FUCK PUTIN

  16. Send the flamingos into Moscow after Intel stops

  17. The last time Ukraine got into an agreement with Russia, they were taken advantage of and thousands died so why should they agree with a Russian proposed peace plan?

  18. Because the outcome of a war is not necessarily determined by the amount of area captured or lost. They rather end due to constraints in resources, men, equipment, lack of internal political support and so on.

    If russia takes another 1% in two years but ukraine has to expend 100% of their available men, equipment or political support, they have to surrender.

    Anyway, ukraine shouldnt surrender, trump is a weak ass and fuck putin.

  19. As for an argument, i would suggest switching the proclaimed narrative there.

    From the Russia makes no progress, to a narrative of, Russia makes slow progress, where they broke through the Fortress wall
    So giving up the Fortress wall, where it still holds would give Russia the chance to actually make progress in taking the country, not just a region.

    I say that, because it is fairly obvious, that Ukraine has problems stabilizing the frontline after the Fortress city andriivka fell during the US-hiatus in 2024. This winter will be the most challenging, saying that Ukraine will hold effortlessly is just untrue.

    Russia is making progress right now and everyone worried about Ukrainian frontlines breaking, or being pushed back, isnt unreasonable. BUT, the way Russia tries to sack the victory now, at the negotiating table, tells me the Putin himself has no illusion about the risk every month of war is meaning for his regime.

    The narrative that Russia is able to go on and on is as false, as the narrative that Ukraine would be able to hold the frontlines in position forever.

  20. How do you propose Ukraine not just stop losing 1% every two years, but take back the 20% already lost.

    It is easy to just be critical without offering a solution.

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