What we know about leaked US draft plan to end Russia’s Ukraine war

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde6yld78d6o

Posted by Tartan_Samurai

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  1. > However, a plan for a “full amnesty” for all parties will go down well in Moscow and very badly in Kyiv and European capitals.

    But source said differently on this

    https://kyivindependent.com/umerov-denies-approving-any-points-of-us-russia-peace-plan/

    > The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported on Nov. 20, citing an unnamed senior U.S. official, that during talks with the U.S., Ukraine changed this specific point in the version that circulated online. Yaroslav Trofimov, chief foreign affairs correspondent for the WSJ, claimed on X that it was Umerov who had done so.

    I think they missed the point that the amnesty will cover corruption in Ukraine. Easily the one that will bring Zelensky current administration down.

  2. >While 600,000 might seem a potentially acceptable number in peacetime, that kind of limitation would infringe on Ukrainian sovereignty. It might also be too big a number for Russia to accept.

    I like how even BBC is confused about this 600k number lmao. And I agree, but for a different reason – if we’re talking about ensuring peacetime redevelopment for Ukraine, why in the hell would it need this many troops in a first place? It’s far better for soldiers to work at factories and construction sites during peacetime, there’s 0 point in keeping army 3 times bigger then Poland’s; while also asking for security guarantees from the US and EU.

  3. It was written in Russian,
    and Russia has only taken control of an extra 1% of Ukrainian territory in the last 2 years of intense fighting.

    Combined with Russia being unable to stop Ukraines domestically produced drones and missiles from destroying Russian oil and energy…

    Its quite obviously a desperate attempt to use Trump to bully Ukraine into stopping because Putin is increasingly desperate for a way out of this 3 day special operation.

  4. The document appears to offer Kyiv access to EU markets while ignoring the views of 27 European countries.

    Yeah, this totally won’t backfire in today’s political climate. /s

  5. It doesn’t even matter.

    Russia has already come out and rejected the plan.

    This is just an opening bid for peace. Trump is going to have to make a lot more concessions before Putin will accept.

    But it is amusing watching Zelensky and the EU pretend like they have any agency in this proxy Russo-American proxy war.

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