The trouble is he has inherited so to say such a powerful position not contributed to by himself.
YES!
While I support the sentiment it’s not really possible.
The US is tightly integrated into all NATO actions and supplies the vast bulk of logistics, such as air and heavy lift capacity. It supplies the bulk of saterlight and signel intelligence. If the US stands aside, Europe would have great difficulty moving things quickly, especially war materials. Europe would lose the bulk of its targeting and intelligence information. It would taske 20 years for Europe to replace this capacity. This is by design, as it gives the US an unofficial veto over NATO action.
The European NATO countries are not in agreement about much. None of them can fully set aside national interest to fully work together. A few countries like Hungery would actively undermine any European action.
While we have to take action to be less dependent on the US, now that it’s an unreliable partner – simply so we can carry out the most basic self defence, we simplely don’t have the capacity to do what’s suggested.
I still dont understand why zelensky keeps talking to trump as if the usa was still an actor in this war, it fits russian narratives and only receives blackmail and threats in return, just ignore the usa
Agreed GET TRUMP OUT
As an American I’m angry and embarrassed about my country’s actions. But I’m equally frustrated with the European countries, *who have so much more to lose if Ukraine falls,* who are not working harder to provide for Ukrainian defense. The sad truth is that America is having it’s own problems right now and isn’t a reliable partner, and Europe needs to accept that reality.
It’s so sad that an american has to say it.. when did the fking europeans lose their bite, their balls?
We used to conquer and colonize the world, and now look at us, we’re having only neutered politicians that suck putlers vagina..
We bow down to a fucking midget hiding in a bunker, we only *escort* ruzzian bombers, and those “lost drones”, the same, we burn fuel to *escort* the drones twards Odesa.. what in the actual fuck is wrong with us???
I’m so dissapointed in those decision makers we have in western powers deciding for the eastern flank, I don’t even have the words to describe it. And equaly dissapointed in local politicians that choose not to escalate.
Escalate to the fucking limit and beyond, it’s the only language ruzzians will respect.
The world needa to embargo the Trump Regime.
The dipshite should be relegated to the dustbin of history. A cautionary tale to future generations that if what your goal is to tip over the applecart then you will be the first to eat the rotten fruit.
My neighbors are all supporters of his; Some of the most ignorant people on the face of the earth.
I was down at the local tire shop, waiting on them to finish up with my car. One man in there was worried that the ‘golden dome’ that the Drumpkin (magically created in a press release) would cause our country to suffocate as no air could get in or out.
I started to explain things, the woman next to me just gave me the eye and a slow nod to just let it go. Someone who believes that is beyond reasoning.
Based Kinzinger
Europe + Canada and YES!
Take a trip through Europe. Their grandparents were fighting each other. Getting them all to agree would be wonderful.
OK.. and wtf is the US doing regarding Trump?
This is currently happening
Trump could 100% desert Ukraine, while Europe united and defeats Ruzzia, and Trump would still try to take full credit.
Europe needs to do a Melania.
Politicians just keep hoping that Trump will magically turn normal.
wish everyone would freeze him out completely. Don’t invite him to conferences, don’t talk to him, absolutely zero contact. But it’s not going to happen, the US is too woven into everything with our economy so everyone has to suck it up unfortunately. Like enabling an addict or psychopath.
This is the it. The most important thing. Take control of your own destiny Europe. Deal with the Russia problem once and for all. Stop giving America the power
100% agree
I agree 100%!
I share the sentiment, but that would mean making Trump feel alienated.
I would even believe he would not only stop selling Zelenskyy arms, also he would openly support Putin in every way.
That would be bad.
EDIT: I think the strategy is to suck up to Trump until he eventually destroys himself, and then shift support to the next president, like inching out a turd.
Well someone with power had to say it. Bravo!
Just imagine if Europe had been making their 2% NATO contribution all along. You could have stepped up for Ukraine in 2014, and for Georgia before that.
He is correct. Donald Trump and his immediate family and friends only want to profit from Ukraine’s surrender.
Yes
Yes, thats the way it should go.
But, sadly i dont think it will go this way. We have the choice between cowards, corrupt mobsters, Russofascists and neo liberal psychopaths.
There are no other options. History will judge us harshly.
Sure that would be great. But they can’t. Europe doesn’t have the capability.
That is the step between generosity to valor
If any one of the EU countries or the UK actually leaned in on kicking Russia’s ass, this war would be over in no time. Germany can’t even manage to get off Russia’s gas titty. This isn’t solely on America as much as you all want it to be.
I’m not a Trump supporter myself and I’m fully aware of the fact that he says things he doesn’t mean. Even with that being said, he might agree with / want this.
Are Trump and Putin unitedly trying to drag the whole world into a war? First Ukraine in Europe, now Venezuela in America. This should not continue, it must not happen, we should do all we can to stop this madness; the question is “How?”.
Hopefully the funds are coming from Europe soon
Agreed. USA is a fucking shitstorm of stupidity, greed and growing ultra-nationalism – and will be for some time.
Im surprised the US hasn’t sanctioned the rest of its allies for not buying American weapons for Ukraine.
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This is the way.
The trouble is he has inherited so to say such a powerful position not contributed to by himself.
YES!
While I support the sentiment it’s not really possible.
The US is tightly integrated into all NATO actions and supplies the vast bulk of logistics, such as air and heavy lift capacity. It supplies the bulk of saterlight and signel intelligence. If the US stands aside, Europe would have great difficulty moving things quickly, especially war materials. Europe would lose the bulk of its targeting and intelligence information. It would taske 20 years for Europe to replace this capacity. This is by design, as it gives the US an unofficial veto over NATO action.
The European NATO countries are not in agreement about much. None of them can fully set aside national interest to fully work together. A few countries like Hungery would actively undermine any European action.
While we have to take action to be less dependent on the US, now that it’s an unreliable partner – simply so we can carry out the most basic self defence, we simplely don’t have the capacity to do what’s suggested.
I still dont understand why zelensky keeps talking to trump as if the usa was still an actor in this war, it fits russian narratives and only receives blackmail and threats in return, just ignore the usa
Agreed GET TRUMP OUT
As an American I’m angry and embarrassed about my country’s actions. But I’m equally frustrated with the European countries, *who have so much more to lose if Ukraine falls,* who are not working harder to provide for Ukrainian defense. The sad truth is that America is having it’s own problems right now and isn’t a reliable partner, and Europe needs to accept that reality.
It’s so sad that an american has to say it.. when did the fking europeans lose their bite, their balls?
We used to conquer and colonize the world, and now look at us, we’re having only neutered politicians that suck putlers vagina..
We bow down to a fucking midget hiding in a bunker, we only *escort* ruzzian bombers, and those “lost drones”, the same, we burn fuel to *escort* the drones twards Odesa.. what in the actual fuck is wrong with us???
I’m so dissapointed in those decision makers we have in western powers deciding for the eastern flank, I don’t even have the words to describe it. And equaly dissapointed in local politicians that choose not to escalate.
Escalate to the fucking limit and beyond, it’s the only language ruzzians will respect.
The world needa to embargo the Trump Regime.
The dipshite should be relegated to the dustbin of history. A cautionary tale to future generations that if what your goal is to tip over the applecart then you will be the first to eat the rotten fruit.
My neighbors are all supporters of his; Some of the most ignorant people on the face of the earth.
I was down at the local tire shop, waiting on them to finish up with my car. One man in there was worried that the ‘golden dome’ that the Drumpkin (magically created in a press release) would cause our country to suffocate as no air could get in or out.
I started to explain things, the woman next to me just gave me the eye and a slow nod to just let it go. Someone who believes that is beyond reasoning.
Based Kinzinger
Europe + Canada and YES!
Take a trip through Europe. Their grandparents were fighting each other. Getting them all to agree would be wonderful.
OK.. and wtf is the US doing regarding Trump?
This is currently happening
Trump could 100% desert Ukraine, while Europe united and defeats Ruzzia, and Trump would still try to take full credit.
Europe needs to do a Melania.
Politicians just keep hoping that Trump will magically turn normal.
wish everyone would freeze him out completely. Don’t invite him to conferences, don’t talk to him, absolutely zero contact. But it’s not going to happen, the US is too woven into everything with our economy so everyone has to suck it up unfortunately. Like enabling an addict or psychopath.
This is the it. The most important thing. Take control of your own destiny Europe. Deal with the Russia problem once and for all. Stop giving America the power
100% agree
I agree 100%!
I share the sentiment, but that would mean making Trump feel alienated.
I would even believe he would not only stop selling Zelenskyy arms, also he would openly support Putin in every way.
That would be bad.
EDIT: I think the strategy is to suck up to Trump until he eventually destroys himself, and then shift support to the next president, like inching out a turd.
Well someone with power had to say it. Bravo!
Just imagine if Europe had been making their 2% NATO contribution all along. You could have stepped up for Ukraine in 2014, and for Georgia before that.
He is correct. Donald Trump and his immediate family and friends only want to profit from Ukraine’s surrender.
Yes
Yes, thats the way it should go.
But, sadly i dont think it will go this way. We have the choice between cowards, corrupt mobsters, Russofascists and neo liberal psychopaths.
There are no other options. History will judge us harshly.
Sure that would be great. But they can’t. Europe doesn’t have the capability.
That is the step between generosity to valor
If any one of the EU countries or the UK actually leaned in on kicking Russia’s ass, this war would be over in no time. Germany can’t even manage to get off Russia’s gas titty. This isn’t solely on America as much as you all want it to be.
I’m not a Trump supporter myself and I’m fully aware of the fact that he says things he doesn’t mean. Even with that being said, he might agree with / want this.
Are Trump and Putin unitedly trying to drag the whole world into a war? First Ukraine in Europe, now Venezuela in America. This should not continue, it must not happen, we should do all we can to stop this madness; the question is “How?”.
Hopefully the funds are coming from Europe soon
Agreed. USA is a fucking shitstorm of stupidity, greed and growing ultra-nationalism – and will be for some time.
Im surprised the US hasn’t sanctioned the rest of its allies for not buying American weapons for Ukraine.
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