Is there not a mediation process in the contract with an independent group within the contract before legal action is pursued?
Bunch of crooks fighting a bunch of crooks
>The exact details of the court case are not yet public and A&L Goodbody did not respond to a request for comment.
Not sure there’s much to say on this for now. For all we know someone from the board of the National Children’s Hospital took a dump on their desks and they’re seeking an injunction to stop them coming to further meetings. Wait for the details to come out… Or have a thread going on about BAM and the Children’s Hospital, sure it’s a slow morning.
“In response to the issue of the drawdown charges, BAM said that there have been 84 new and revised design changes to the build from the development board, despite an agreement with previous Health Minister Stephen Donnelly that there would be no further design changes.
The majority of the remaining work on the hospital relates to these changes, for which BAM has also not received payment, the company stated.
The firm has also been awarded a number of other government tenders despite its part in the dysfunctional build of the new children’s hospital.”
The minister and this development board have alot to answer for
Fucking spongers. They’re already way overpaid.
It’s a pretty horrible building too. A big prefab with zero stone masonry or anything that might be construed as artistic.
So we’re three years past the original completion date, with nothing opened and no handover date agreed. We’ve more than tripled the original budget. And what? All we have to show for it is a legal dispute between those involved.
No doubt BAM will continue to receive & bungle tenders for public infrastructure projects, and the same stuffed shirts that oversaw this mess will continue not holding them to account. ‘Twas ever thus.
Upon seeing the article title I said “They can do that? Isn’t that a conflict of interest?”
Should be interesting enough now let’s play the blame game once again, which of the three (or two?) are the most incompetent: BAM, National Children’s Hospital, or the department of health/government
Just read yesterday how Norway is building a 27km long tunnel, up to 400m below the sea floor, and its estimated cost is the same as this.
Different projects, different challenges I know. But I would never have thought any *normal,* non-enormous building could cost the same as the longest, deepest undersea tunnel in the world.
Contractors like BAM exist on the premise that they make their profit via claims for work not included on original tender.
Just counter sue them for it not being built on time and how much it cost etc etc. Fight fire with fire.
The lion, the witch and the audacity of that bitch!!
They’ll all come out looking bad off the back of this but govt. did throw BAM under the bus on this mess. It’s no surprise they’re pushing back. They’ll get their cash & tenders but FFG will come out looking (more) incompetent.
Too all the people mindlessly shitting on BAM, riddle me this.
How is it that this company can deliver on time and budget many projects every year, but there’s these 2 (hospital and Cork event center) where they cant?
We need a state owned construction company.
Regardless of who is right or wrong here, absolutely everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for how much they have all fucked this up.
This is a hospital, specifically for children. It should have been such a massive priority. Everything should have been a hyperfocus on getting this job completed as efficiently as possible.
Even when it comes to the health and wellbeing sick children, the government can’t help but fuck it up.
Bunch of fucking morons.
They’ll be struggling to get anyone to tender these projects ever again after this. The issue seems to be endlessly shifting the design and the goal posts then publicly blaming the construction contractor.
This isn’t how normal large scale projects are managed.
You see similar crazy overruns in unpredictable facilities like the construction of one-off or first attempts at highly technically complex facilities like say the EPR nuclear power plants that EDF/Areva is building because they inevitably can’t predict the challenges that come up and there are massively complex pieces of engineering and a lot of it is one off or first run.
You’ll get it with mad complex artistic structures like some landmark buildings and skyscrapers etc
A hospital shouldn’t be anything like that tbh – they are usually pretty utilitarian and predictable for the most part.
I doubt we’ll ever get an explanation for this either other than everyone passing the buck and nobody being ultimately responsible for any of the decisions and indecisions – a big nebulous cloud and lessons will be learned no doubt … very expensive ones for the tax paying public.
It’s lovely that we apparently are bottomless pit of money and no amount of chaos seems to matter … they just keep writing cheques from future generations’ public services.
There needs to be a serious value for money audit across a lot of state projects – we are getting way too loose with the purse strings in recent years. This stuff isn’t sustainable and it’s only working because we’ve money to squander on overruns – that’s an appalling strategy when you consider the opportunity costs and the waste involved.
If you work construction in Dublin you get a fair idea of the stupidity from the HSE in regards this project. There have been electrics, plumbing, airlines that have been installed and ripped out over and over again due to constant design changes. Specs that make no sense and when questioned by the vendors who are usually experts in their specific fields, no mechanisms in place to change things upwards in the design meaning constant mistakes which the installers are very aware of. Things like the wrong specced cables, plumbing, air systems where they have no choice but to install it. Then the walls get finished, then it all gets ripped out again.
Then HSE build process boils down to “Decision by Committee” for everything and it’s a broken as hell system for any building project.
To those mindlessly defending BAM:
You do realize it’s taxpayer money being wasted not just by the government but BAM as well? They know it.
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Is there not a mediation process in the contract with an independent group within the contract before legal action is pursued?
Bunch of crooks fighting a bunch of crooks
>The exact details of the court case are not yet public and A&L Goodbody did not respond to a request for comment.
Not sure there’s much to say on this for now. For all we know someone from the board of the National Children’s Hospital took a dump on their desks and they’re seeking an injunction to stop them coming to further meetings. Wait for the details to come out… Or have a thread going on about BAM and the Children’s Hospital, sure it’s a slow morning.
“In response to the issue of the drawdown charges, BAM said that there have been 84 new and revised design changes to the build from the development board, despite an agreement with previous Health Minister Stephen Donnelly that there would be no further design changes.
The majority of the remaining work on the hospital relates to these changes, for which BAM has also not received payment, the company stated.
The firm has also been awarded a number of other government tenders despite its part in the dysfunctional build of the new children’s hospital.”
The minister and this development board have alot to answer for
Fucking spongers. They’re already way overpaid.
It’s a pretty horrible building too. A big prefab with zero stone masonry or anything that might be construed as artistic.
So we’re three years past the original completion date, with nothing opened and no handover date agreed. We’ve more than tripled the original budget. And what? All we have to show for it is a legal dispute between those involved.
No doubt BAM will continue to receive & bungle tenders for public infrastructure projects, and the same stuffed shirts that oversaw this mess will continue not holding them to account. ‘Twas ever thus.
Upon seeing the article title I said “They can do that? Isn’t that a conflict of interest?”
Should be interesting enough now let’s play the blame game once again, which of the three (or two?) are the most incompetent: BAM, National Children’s Hospital, or the department of health/government
Just read yesterday how Norway is building a 27km long tunnel, up to 400m below the sea floor, and its estimated cost is the same as this.
Different projects, different challenges I know. But I would never have thought any *normal,* non-enormous building could cost the same as the longest, deepest undersea tunnel in the world.
Contractors like BAM exist on the premise that they make their profit via claims for work not included on original tender.
Just counter sue them for it not being built on time and how much it cost etc etc. Fight fire with fire.
The lion, the witch and the audacity of that bitch!!
They’ll all come out looking bad off the back of this but govt. did throw BAM under the bus on this mess. It’s no surprise they’re pushing back. They’ll get their cash & tenders but FFG will come out looking (more) incompetent.
Too all the people mindlessly shitting on BAM, riddle me this.
How is it that this company can deliver on time and budget many projects every year, but there’s these 2 (hospital and Cork event center) where they cant?
We need a state owned construction company.
Regardless of who is right or wrong here, absolutely everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for how much they have all fucked this up.
This is a hospital, specifically for children. It should have been such a massive priority. Everything should have been a hyperfocus on getting this job completed as efficiently as possible.
Even when it comes to the health and wellbeing sick children, the government can’t help but fuck it up.
Bunch of fucking morons.
They’ll be struggling to get anyone to tender these projects ever again after this. The issue seems to be endlessly shifting the design and the goal posts then publicly blaming the construction contractor.
This isn’t how normal large scale projects are managed.
You see similar crazy overruns in unpredictable facilities like the construction of one-off or first attempts at highly technically complex facilities like say the EPR nuclear power plants that EDF/Areva is building because they inevitably can’t predict the challenges that come up and there are massively complex pieces of engineering and a lot of it is one off or first run.
You’ll get it with mad complex artistic structures like some landmark buildings and skyscrapers etc
A hospital shouldn’t be anything like that tbh – they are usually pretty utilitarian and predictable for the most part.
I doubt we’ll ever get an explanation for this either other than everyone passing the buck and nobody being ultimately responsible for any of the decisions and indecisions – a big nebulous cloud and lessons will be learned no doubt … very expensive ones for the tax paying public.
It’s lovely that we apparently are bottomless pit of money and no amount of chaos seems to matter … they just keep writing cheques from future generations’ public services.
There needs to be a serious value for money audit across a lot of state projects – we are getting way too loose with the purse strings in recent years. This stuff isn’t sustainable and it’s only working because we’ve money to squander on overruns – that’s an appalling strategy when you consider the opportunity costs and the waste involved.
If you work construction in Dublin you get a fair idea of the stupidity from the HSE in regards this project. There have been electrics, plumbing, airlines that have been installed and ripped out over and over again due to constant design changes. Specs that make no sense and when questioned by the vendors who are usually experts in their specific fields, no mechanisms in place to change things upwards in the design meaning constant mistakes which the installers are very aware of. Things like the wrong specced cables, plumbing, air systems where they have no choice but to install it. Then the walls get finished, then it all gets ripped out again.
Then HSE build process boils down to “Decision by Committee” for everything and it’s a broken as hell system for any building project.
To those mindlessly defending BAM:
You do realize it’s taxpayer money being wasted not just by the government but BAM as well? They know it.
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