Who really believes Russia will lose in Ukraine?” Bart De Wever’s controversial remarks reach Eastern Europe

by Boomtown_Rat

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  2. >Ce n’est même pas souhaitable qu’elle perde et que l’instabilité s’installe dans un pays qui a des armes nucléaires

    What the fuck Bart

  3. I think he expressed himself pretty carelessly there – but I’d say the point is that it will end in a negotiated settlement; and probably not in a defeat of Russia. The Ukrainians have managed to slow them down, yes, but ultimately they still have a shitton of nukes, right? They’re not disappearing. They’re going to be around to demand their money back and make our lives very difficult through international courts.

    And so European solidarity is absolutely essential if they want us to take their frozen assets at Euroclear.

  4. The same way the Americans lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam. The same way Russia lost in Afghanistan.

    Let us stop mythologizing Russia. They are trying to erase Ukrainian identity, kidnapping children, bombing civilian infrastructure like blowing up the hydroelectric dam, holding nuclear facilities hostage. This is not the first time nor the last. Remember them gassing their own citizens during the Chechen crisis. Remember them supporting the Syrian dictator. And innumerable other actions that totally disregard international law.

    Russia doesn’t understand soft power and believe their own legend. If they could overrun Ukraine, it would’ve happened already.

    I feel for the Russian soldiers used as cannon fodder, when snatched from the street.

    What do our values mean if we just let an imperialistic and authoritarian country attack a sovereign state that want to follow its own path? We should support the Ukrainians as much as we can materially, intelligence wise,…

  6. I don’t think he’s wrong, but it was at least “not strategic”.

  7. We’ve got a Flemish Orban on our hands. The fact that he is flailing this hard against the WHOLE REST of the EU (besides Orban and Fico) means he’s not cut out for this job. These arguments have been expressed for years now and prove wrong several times allready by much more emminent historians, policians and acts on the ground then Bart De Wever can even hope to achieve.

  8. Filthy traitor

    What is it with flemish nationalists and collaborating with the enemy

  9. People stating “Russia can’t be defeated” and “Russia can’t win” are both correct

  10. What he said is getting twisted quite a bit and mainly by Russian propaganda media/influencers. But at the same time, the way it’s going right now it’s going to be a loss and these billions will not solve it.

    The EU needs to supply Ukraine with long range missiles, protect the airspace of Ukraine with their jets, and neutralize all illegally occupied regions in Ukraine so that Russia can no longer claim and occupy them.

  11. I got so much shit 2 years ago in this sub for claiming the same and not believing that a country 8x smaller could ever lose to the 5th biggest army in the world.

  12. It was really careless on the phrasing and I dislike him, but to a degree, he’s right.

    Ukraine has been losing slowly for months and the balance is ticking more and more to Russia’s advantage. Manpower and morale are a big issue and Russia is not actually experiencing catastrophic loss for every square meter they take.

    The problem is that the longer it goes, the less Ukraine will get, the front is unlikely to collapse to their benefit.

    I know there has been a lot of news around the Russian economy being in a bad state, but no collapse is coming soon. It can go on for years and years except if the front suddenly collapses on the Ukraine side (no one can tell if and how).

    If Putin were to die, it’s successor might be worse and go actually strike the balance he tries to maintain within Russia to avoid popular discontent. No one can tell it Russia won’t go full war economy and actually start moving to war with the EU or some central Asian neighbors.

    The dilemma for the EU is also that the more it goes, the worse the take-off of the Russian war economy goes. Idk if they can actually manage a smooth transition to peacetime. Boris Johnson pushing for the war to continue after the successful Ukrainian counteroffensive and the Wagner revolt shitshow was a catastrophic mistake which may cost Ukraine a lot.

  13. It is only controversial because it’s addressing the elephant in the room.

    Is he wrong? No.
    Is it something he should have kept to himself? Perhaps, but then again, this also opens the debate on what the actual end goal is.

  15. Hate to defend Bart here but he’s absolutely right. The best time to reach a peace settlement was two years ago when the Ukranians put up a lot stronger than expected defense and the Russians were ready to come to the table, but there were all kinds of international forces pushing them to continue the war (probably so defense contractors can keep raking in money). The Ukrainian position has only weakened since then and its not getting any stronger. The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is like 50 years old at this point. It’s just not sustainable. The unfortunate reality is if there’s going to be a peace settlement it’s going to be largely on Russia’s terms and closing your eyes and pretending that reality doesn’t exist doesn’t help anything.

  16. Europe is suffering from sunk cost fallacy and picking ideology over real politik

  17. As much as I would like to see russia crumble into nothingness, this war – unless it drastically changes (like all their oil terminals going poof overnight) – will not make that happen.

    The best outcome would be that Ukraine gets their ’91 borders back, war criminals are extradited, POWs, deported and kidnapped are returned, war reps for damages are paid and Ukraine gets to decide wether or not they want in Nato and the EU.

    Despite that best outcome, russia is still there and if they can abuse a system in their favor, they will, meaning that they will go after our country to get the money back.

    If the only thing we ask is that other countries back us in this case since they want this to happen and they immediately (aside from Germany) step back, that means they know there’s a big enough chance sth could go wrong.

    Just for this, an entire bunch of people lost their collective mind on twitter for literally no reason.

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