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for those that have actually read the various inquiry documents.
it’s my understanding that yes, yes there was.
there were substantial links within the motivations of the grooming gangs and the race of their victims, there were also ethnic and familial ties between gang members, where ethnicity was confirmed.
I believe the bit’s where there is ambiguity is because of the police not collecting ethnicity and nationality information of suspects making the data collection harder.
This repeated wrong statement about the different inquires is actually in the more recent one, and entire section called; “denial” about public figures peddling misinformation about the inquires, and even goes into somewhat how the other inquires deliberately obfuscated the issue and tried to peddle around these specific offences by looking at wider child abuse figures.
this is also why the labour led inquiry has kind of fallen apart, the victims were invited and, I think it was jess Philips, kept doing things to expand the inquiry to boarder abuse, which led to one victim publicly withdrawing from the inquiry I think alleging that the inquiry was another cover up, doing the same data manipulation of the first two inquiries by miscategorising the types of abuse so the grooming gangs were counted among wider abuse numbers, not doing per-capita analysis of the data ([this inquiry](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf) did this). (however this was all awhile ago so I could be misremembering)
this is just a top of the head re-calling of the different reports so I’ll grab them all in a bit.
while there have been around ten different inquiries only two or three of them are actually national level inquiries, most are specific councils and areas which have limited the scope and often they just confirm local whispers.
[Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation Characteristics of Offending, 2020](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf) very important annoying part of this, they acknowledge the problems with data collection, and then refused to do the analysis on the existing data which would corroborate those other reports. oh they also badly categorised the data to lesson the impact of the specific offenses with doing shit like counting the grooming gangs alongside family based abuse.
What if labour already know the numbers, and want to put out a report that shows there is no link between those things, but also want to whip the reformers into a frenzy first to make them look even more stupid when the report drops.
Mothin Ali, makes a statement without any reference to facts and expects people to believe it.
not even sorry. there might be no link to ethnicity. but bloody hell is there a link to child abuse and religion. In ALL of THEM. The Abrahamic ones at the Front. Catholics first front and center. that is VERY well documented and it keeps being tried to be shushed and explained away and whataboutismed. I ll let you figure out the ranking of the others in this. Any organisation that outsources critical thinking and morality to an invisible man(!) made and man(!) interpreted and enforced entity has no business holding any legal authority whatsoever imho. thank you very much.
But there is a link…
The basic of all scientific experiments- cause and effect. Glad opinions are changing.
Jimmy Saville.. no, he’s British
Paul Gadd… no, he’s British too..
Rolf Harris… FOUND AN IMMIGRANT!!!! (he was white Christian though, does that count?)
Abrahamic religions are patriarchal & rapey af.
There is absolutely a link
Right… but there clearly is a link and the person posting about it is clearly covering for their own group.
If the same statistics were the other way around we’d probably end up getting kicked out of our own country
We get it, white working class and Sikh girls are to be sacrificed to the altar of not being seen as racist. And people wonder why the U.K. is ranked one of the lowest countries in the world for child safety.
Love the logic, British child rapists exist therefore it’s fine that we import other countries child rapists.
Wonder how that plans going down.
It has been found that there are links though, particularly in the context of grooming gangs. It isn’t racist to explore those links so that the underlying issues can be resolved. It would however be racist to overstate these links in a bit to justify racism.
Baroness Casey’s audit back in June specially said there is a link though?Â
Muslim man wants to downplay that Pakistani Muslim men commit child grooming at a much higher rate per capita than any other group.
I’m fairly certain he has no bias in this matter at all
Christ alive labour is a fucking just ghoul of its former self at this point
There is no link to ethnicity, thats fucking dumb, there absolutely is a link to religion with child abuse and rape. Any religion that has men be authoritative figures has mysoginy, rape culture and abuse deeply rooted in followers. It isnt racist to point this out, and religion is something you can absolutely choose, and thus should not be any excuse for any actions. The same can be said for culture, but again, it is not an excuse.
Let people be who they want, if it isnt hurting others, and hold people accountable if it does.
The ethnicity IS important. Why? Because of their ethnicity, police forces and councils wanted to avoid being called racists. Who knows, some even complicit. Had the police done their job, many of these grooming gangs would not exist and the nonces locked up.
Are there white grooming gangs? Of course. But this is not about those gangs, as the claim is the system treats the Pakistani gangs differently. This means actions must not only be taken against the gangs, but also against the councils and police.
There are many claims that this is so, many, many claims. All you arguing against this are effectively victimising the victims more, because their claims are not just against the rapists but also against the system.
The Catholic Church was investigated, heck, even the Jehovahs witnesses have had enquiries into coverups. It’s time we stop hiding behind cultural sensitivities and actually fix the police, local and national governments so that all victims are afforded protection, and so that those not doing their jobs are held to account.
Edit:grammar.
Okay, cool
What’s Mothin Ali’s opinion on trans people?
And if we start looking and we find a bunch of Jews are we going to keep this energy?
This is just willfully ignorant. Look up the members of these grooming gangs
A study by Reading and Chichester universities concluded that of the 498 grooming gang convictions, 83% of perpetrators were Muslim, of which most were Pakistani.
Obviously only a racist would suggest this implicates all Muslims or Pakistanis, but people on the left (of which I include myself) pretending there is no association is one of the reasons these evil men were allowed to get away with the abuse for so long, and also creates a void that allows grifters like Farage and Reform to step in and fill it with hateful rhetoric and incite racism to further their own agenda of pursuing wealth and power.
There’s a lot of denial in this country.
If ethnic group is now a measure of potential culpability, surely that means every single white person is now under the microscope even more than before?
Or is the majority ethnicity of a nation excluded from this? If so, why? Are most nonces not white men?
To be fair, how are we able to say there is or isnt a link without actually looking at data. I don’t think there is for overall but there likely is for grooming gangs specifically based on the inquiry, but I would be interested to see actual data to validate the claim. But this shouldn’t just be on ethnicity, it should be measured on a large number of factors to detect overall links
Why would it be impossible that a culture would be more or less likely to have sex with children or rape a woman? surely they’ll differ in their views of this? surely a culture can be more or less misogynistic?
This is why we need to call it out, anytime it’s against islam or Muslims in general this crap is rolled out, facts don’t lie and we can see the figures and the stats.
Percentage wise islam and especially the sect we’ve managed to get from mainly Pakistan is horrible towards women and extremely rapey.Â
If you can’t even state a fact and accept it without getting upset you’re part of the problem.
When everyone was calling out catholic priest we didn’t have a defence that it was racist or anti Catholic did we?
These muslim men targeted working class white girls. The links between ethnicity race and religion us very deep indeed.
There is absolutely a cultural issue – both Pakistan and India have horrific attitudes towards rape and that is whether the perpetrators are Muslim or Hindu (yes, I know there are more than those religions but those are the two most prevalent). Similarly the attitudes towards sexual assault in Saudi Arabia are more cultural than religious, religion is only used to jusitfy their actions.
There is also a religious issue in terms of misogyny but there isn’t a specific religion telling people to go out and rape.
There is NOT an ethnicity issue. Claiming people with different skin colours are more likely to rape is flat out eugenics racism.
There definitely is a link to them being brushed under the carpet for fears of being labelled a racist.
So true 💚💚We must protect the rights of immigrants to rape children 💚💚
They don’t think that culture has anything to do with grooming gangs? I’m not calling any particular race or religion out, but if you have a culture in which women are seen as 2nd class citizens, then you will have a culture in which women are oppressed and abused. This will inevitably filter down to young women and girls. I’m not saying it’s the only determining factor in the establishment of a grooming gang, but to ignore it completely is the epitome of head in the sand.
Just going to keep posting this until people realise some cultures are simply incompatible with ours. When child abuse and rape are completely normalised in a country maybe we should keep any eye on the men coming from there.
When a culture has a phrase for ‘the little boys we rape’ then they’ve got some work to do before we open our borders to them. I’m not saying stop all immigration but I am saying it should be *heavily* monitored depending on the country and culture.
Luckily the Taliban have now banned the practice with punishment of the death penalty, except they sometimes execute the little boys who have been raped.
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If ignoring reality is your cup of tea vote for the hypnotist
Go green 💚
for those that have actually read the various inquiry documents.
it’s my understanding that yes, yes there was.
there were substantial links within the motivations of the grooming gangs and the race of their victims, there were also ethnic and familial ties between gang members, where ethnicity was confirmed.
I believe the bit’s where there is ambiguity is because of the police not collecting ethnicity and nationality information of suspects making the data collection harder.
This repeated wrong statement about the different inquires is actually in the more recent one, and entire section called; “denial” about public figures peddling misinformation about the inquires, and even goes into somewhat how the other inquires deliberately obfuscated the issue and tried to peddle around these specific offences by looking at wider child abuse figures.
this is also why the labour led inquiry has kind of fallen apart, the victims were invited and, I think it was jess Philips, kept doing things to expand the inquiry to boarder abuse, which led to one victim publicly withdrawing from the inquiry I think alleging that the inquiry was another cover up, doing the same data manipulation of the first two inquiries by miscategorising the types of abuse so the grooming gangs were counted among wider abuse numbers, not doing per-capita analysis of the data ([this inquiry](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf) did this). (however this was all awhile ago so I could be misremembering)
this is just a top of the head re-calling of the different reports so I’ll grab them all in a bit.
[sky news general timeline](https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-scandal-timeline-what-happened-what-inquiries-there-were-and-how-starmer-was-involved-after-elon-musks-accusations-13285021)
while there have been around ten different inquiries only two or three of them are actually national level inquiries, most are specific councils and areas which have limited the scope and often they just confirm local whispers.
[Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation Characteristics of Offending, 2020](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf) very important annoying part of this, they acknowledge the problems with data collection, and then refused to do the analysis on the existing data which would corroborate those other reports. oh they also badly categorised the data to lesson the impact of the specific offenses with doing shit like counting the grooming gangs alongside family based abuse.
[Casey report](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-audit-on-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse). please direct attention to the denial section detailing some of the problems with other national level inquires.
What if labour already know the numbers, and want to put out a report that shows there is no link between those things, but also want to whip the reformers into a frenzy first to make them look even more stupid when the report drops.
Mothin Ali, makes a statement without any reference to facts and expects people to believe it.
not even sorry. there might be no link to ethnicity. but bloody hell is there a link to child abuse and religion. In ALL of THEM. The Abrahamic ones at the Front. Catholics first front and center. that is VERY well documented and it keeps being tried to be shushed and explained away and whataboutismed. I ll let you figure out the ranking of the others in this. Any organisation that outsources critical thinking and morality to an invisible man(!) made and man(!) interpreted and enforced entity has no business holding any legal authority whatsoever imho. thank you very much.
But there is a link…
The basic of all scientific experiments- cause and effect. Glad opinions are changing.
Jimmy Saville.. no, he’s British
Paul Gadd… no, he’s British too..
Rolf Harris… FOUND AN IMMIGRANT!!!! (he was white Christian though, does that count?)
Abrahamic religions are patriarchal & rapey af.
There is absolutely a link
Right… but there clearly is a link and the person posting about it is clearly covering for their own group.
If the same statistics were the other way around we’d probably end up getting kicked out of our own country
https://preview.redd.it/sb3b8y5ngr6g1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddbb94a09b408cacd3009d923849b0e15800df01
You conveniently cropped out the community note, so I’m posting it here for anyone curious.
[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-audit-on-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-audit-on-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse)
We get it, white working class and Sikh girls are to be sacrificed to the altar of not being seen as racist. And people wonder why the U.K. is ranked one of the lowest countries in the world for child safety.
[https://humanists.uk/2020/05/27/uk-among-the-worst-countries-for-childrens-rights-new-report-finds/](https://humanists.uk/2020/05/27/uk-among-the-worst-countries-for-childrens-rights-new-report-finds/)
Love the logic, British child rapists exist therefore it’s fine that we import other countries child rapists.
Wonder how that plans going down.
It has been found that there are links though, particularly in the context of grooming gangs. It isn’t racist to explore those links so that the underlying issues can be resolved. It would however be racist to overstate these links in a bit to justify racism.
Baroness Casey’s audit back in June specially said there is a link though?Â
Muslim man wants to downplay that Pakistani Muslim men commit child grooming at a much higher rate per capita than any other group.
I’m fairly certain he has no bias in this matter at all
Christ alive labour is a fucking just ghoul of its former self at this point
There is no link to ethnicity, thats fucking dumb, there absolutely is a link to religion with child abuse and rape. Any religion that has men be authoritative figures has mysoginy, rape culture and abuse deeply rooted in followers. It isnt racist to point this out, and religion is something you can absolutely choose, and thus should not be any excuse for any actions. The same can be said for culture, but again, it is not an excuse.
Let people be who they want, if it isnt hurting others, and hold people accountable if it does.
The ethnicity IS important. Why? Because of their ethnicity, police forces and councils wanted to avoid being called racists. Who knows, some even complicit. Had the police done their job, many of these grooming gangs would not exist and the nonces locked up.
Are there white grooming gangs? Of course. But this is not about those gangs, as the claim is the system treats the Pakistani gangs differently. This means actions must not only be taken against the gangs, but also against the councils and police.
There are many claims that this is so, many, many claims. All you arguing against this are effectively victimising the victims more, because their claims are not just against the rapists but also against the system.
The Catholic Church was investigated, heck, even the Jehovahs witnesses have had enquiries into coverups. It’s time we stop hiding behind cultural sensitivities and actually fix the police, local and national governments so that all victims are afforded protection, and so that those not doing their jobs are held to account.
Edit:grammar.
Okay, cool
What’s Mothin Ali’s opinion on trans people?
And if we start looking and we find a bunch of Jews are we going to keep this energy?
This is just willfully ignorant. Look up the members of these grooming gangs
A study by Reading and Chichester universities concluded that of the 498 grooming gang convictions, 83% of perpetrators were Muslim, of which most were Pakistani.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338984495_Group_Localised_Child_Sexual_Exploitation_Offenders_Who_and_Why
Obviously only a racist would suggest this implicates all Muslims or Pakistanis, but people on the left (of which I include myself) pretending there is no association is one of the reasons these evil men were allowed to get away with the abuse for so long, and also creates a void that allows grifters like Farage and Reform to step in and fill it with hateful rhetoric and incite racism to further their own agenda of pursuing wealth and power.
There’s a lot of denial in this country.
If ethnic group is now a measure of potential culpability, surely that means every single white person is now under the microscope even more than before?
Or is the majority ethnicity of a nation excluded from this? If so, why? Are most nonces not white men?
To be fair, how are we able to say there is or isnt a link without actually looking at data. I don’t think there is for overall but there likely is for grooming gangs specifically based on the inquiry, but I would be interested to see actual data to validate the claim. But this shouldn’t just be on ethnicity, it should be measured on a large number of factors to detect overall links
Why would it be impossible that a culture would be more or less likely to have sex with children or rape a woman? surely they’ll differ in their views of this? surely a culture can be more or less misogynistic?
This is why we need to call it out, anytime it’s against islam or Muslims in general this crap is rolled out, facts don’t lie and we can see the figures and the stats.
Percentage wise islam and especially the sect we’ve managed to get from mainly Pakistan is horrible towards women and extremely rapey.Â
If you can’t even state a fact and accept it without getting upset you’re part of the problem.
When everyone was calling out catholic priest we didn’t have a defence that it was racist or anti Catholic did we?
These muslim men targeted working class white girls. The links between ethnicity race and religion us very deep indeed.
There is absolutely a cultural issue – both Pakistan and India have horrific attitudes towards rape and that is whether the perpetrators are Muslim or Hindu (yes, I know there are more than those religions but those are the two most prevalent). Similarly the attitudes towards sexual assault in Saudi Arabia are more cultural than religious, religion is only used to jusitfy their actions.
There is also a religious issue in terms of misogyny but there isn’t a specific religion telling people to go out and rape.
There is NOT an ethnicity issue. Claiming people with different skin colours are more likely to rape is flat out eugenics racism.
There definitely is a link to them being brushed under the carpet for fears of being labelled a racist.
So true 💚💚We must protect the rights of immigrants to rape children 💚💚
They don’t think that culture has anything to do with grooming gangs? I’m not calling any particular race or religion out, but if you have a culture in which women are seen as 2nd class citizens, then you will have a culture in which women are oppressed and abused. This will inevitably filter down to young women and girls. I’m not saying it’s the only determining factor in the establishment of a grooming gang, but to ignore it completely is the epitome of head in the sand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
Just going to keep posting this until people realise some cultures are simply incompatible with ours. When child abuse and rape are completely normalised in a country maybe we should keep any eye on the men coming from there.
When a culture has a phrase for ‘the little boys we rape’ then they’ve got some work to do before we open our borders to them. I’m not saying stop all immigration but I am saying it should be *heavily* monitored depending on the country and culture.
Luckily the Taliban have now banned the practice with punishment of the death penalty, except they sometimes execute the little boys who have been raped.
Mothin needs arresting
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