Sorry, there’s only budget for giving chippers tax breaks.
It’s okay lads, take your time developing a “strategy” on this. It’s not an important job or anything.
Just to somewhat give the full context here, the plan being shelved here is an interim one to install a small number of red light cameras before a national strategy is created which potentially renders them obsolete.Â
If that happened you would have seen an article complaining about the waste. I am personally cynical about their commitment though.
Darragh O’Brien’s Department of Transport doesn’t want us getting around efficiently, safely or sustainably.
Remember this come election time.
Why the fack is this still not implemented? I think other countries have traffic light cameras for decades now. Like decades. Ireland is decades behind.Â
I swear to God the only way we are getting anything done with this government at this point is if we all march on the streets. They need a massive kick in the hole.
Restaurant profits > Public safety
Happy new years, it’s just turned 1996 in Dublin
Did anybody here actually read the article? The headline is totally false.
I agree that only using these at a select few locations isn’t a good use of resources. But they should put them on all lights.
The cost of cameras is so low and with AI image recognition, it’s super easy to automate. There’s just no public/political will.
> In the letter, released to The Irish Times under the Freedom of Information Act, Mr Creegan said tendering for equipment and services “for just one or two isolated junctions would not provide a system that would be scalable contractually to cover other junctions, other areas and other offence types”.
> “In order to provide a system that can be scaled and operated appropriately, it is the NTA’s view that it is better to wait until there is an overall camera enforcement strategy in place,” he said.
> “Accordingly, the NTA is awaiting the finalisation of the overall national camera enforcement strategy before proceeding with further camera installation development.”
It’s hard to read this as anything other than “we never actually wanted to implement this anyway”, given how all of the above was known and should have been planned around well in advance.Â
If 10% of Dublin Bus buses were outfitted with cameras and the drivers financially incentivised to report violations they see, driving in Dublin would be miraculously solved overnight.
While this is not a desirable outcome, it is in fact a correct decision.
I paid a few fines due to these cameras in Australia 20 years ago.Â
If you read the article it basically says they’re not proceeding with a small rollout as it would be uneconomical, but are waiting for a bigger strategy and presumably a wider rollout.
Although given how long this has been kicking around, you’d wonder.
Is this what MM meant when he said refocusing on road stuff?
Another shocking waste of money on the trial etc just to shelve it because of incompetence
Pushing the can down the road as usual.
I hired a car and drove around over Christmas, flabbergasted at the amount of red light jumpers. Long after the lights turned red too. Do not get that behaviour anywhere else I’ve lived.Â
On the bright side, we are #1 in the world at producing strategies and plans.
Pretty sure there is correlation between this kind of low level enforcement and reduced road accidents. So on one side they’re all about reducing road deaths and on the other they won’t implement very very basic systems, well tested in other countries to help with that.Â
Does it not read that they’ve shelved the interim plan they had in favour of a much larger plan in the future i.e. more cameras installed and operating rather than just the one or two they had in mind for an interim plan?
Not excusing them for not having it done citywide already but a fully setup and working system is better than an interim plan that never goes anywhere
I wonder since the Childrens Hospital are the government afraid to commit to anything now if it has potential to balloon in cost?
“Longer Term thinking” 🤔… Who believes this?
Every traffic light system in Ireland needs to be upgraded – filter lights missing, timings wrong, not enough time to clear a junction before red –
Get the finger out !
That’s Bullshit, we need the cameras now 🤬🤬🤬
Ah sure it’ll be grand
By my count a traffic camera light in D14 area I frequent would catch 2-3 cars/cycle. So about 1000/day.
Drafts, reports, strategies, draft strategies, more reports, consultations, nothing.
This fucking country…
Good oul backwards Ireland strikes again! 🤦‍♂️
Examples like this are a clear indictment of the lack of leadership and drive in both national politics and the Civil Service in the last decade. Staggering how we cannot begin such a program and scale it up over time. The benefits are clear, it will part finance itself and build good will among the populace but they’d rather remain in the current state of inertia.
The red light running and bus lane violations I see on a daily basis in Dublin would be laughable if they weren’t frequently so dangerous. People know they won’t be held accountable so just don’t give a fk anymore.
That Patrick Collison article in The Irish Times a few months ago was right about the bubble of bureaucracy Ministers (and Secretary Generals of Govt Depts) have built up around them whereby there’s no direct responsibility for anyone to tackle such issues. And of course there’s no end in sight to this approach either!
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I suppose sometimes all you can do is laugh
Someone really should greenlight this idea.
Sorry, there’s only budget for giving chippers tax breaks.
It’s okay lads, take your time developing a “strategy” on this. It’s not an important job or anything.
Just to somewhat give the full context here, the plan being shelved here is an interim one to install a small number of red light cameras before a national strategy is created which potentially renders them obsolete.Â
If that happened you would have seen an article complaining about the waste. I am personally cynical about their commitment though.
Darragh O’Brien’s Department of Transport doesn’t want us getting around efficiently, safely or sustainably.
Remember this come election time.
Why the fack is this still not implemented? I think other countries have traffic light cameras for decades now. Like decades. Ireland is decades behind.Â
I swear to God the only way we are getting anything done with this government at this point is if we all march on the streets. They need a massive kick in the hole.
Restaurant profits > Public safety
Happy new years, it’s just turned 1996 in Dublin
Did anybody here actually read the article? The headline is totally false.
I agree that only using these at a select few locations isn’t a good use of resources. But they should put them on all lights.
The cost of cameras is so low and with AI image recognition, it’s super easy to automate. There’s just no public/political will.
> In the letter, released to The Irish Times under the Freedom of Information Act, Mr Creegan said tendering for equipment and services “for just one or two isolated junctions would not provide a system that would be scalable contractually to cover other junctions, other areas and other offence types”.
> “In order to provide a system that can be scaled and operated appropriately, it is the NTA’s view that it is better to wait until there is an overall camera enforcement strategy in place,” he said.
> “Accordingly, the NTA is awaiting the finalisation of the overall national camera enforcement strategy before proceeding with further camera installation development.”
It’s hard to read this as anything other than “we never actually wanted to implement this anyway”, given how all of the above was known and should have been planned around well in advance.Â
If 10% of Dublin Bus buses were outfitted with cameras and the drivers financially incentivised to report violations they see, driving in Dublin would be miraculously solved overnight.
While this is not a desirable outcome, it is in fact a correct decision.
I paid a few fines due to these cameras in Australia 20 years ago.Â
If you read the article it basically says they’re not proceeding with a small rollout as it would be uneconomical, but are waiting for a bigger strategy and presumably a wider rollout.
Although given how long this has been kicking around, you’d wonder.
Is this what MM meant when he said refocusing on road stuff?
Another shocking waste of money on the trial etc just to shelve it because of incompetence
Pushing the can down the road as usual.
I hired a car and drove around over Christmas, flabbergasted at the amount of red light jumpers. Long after the lights turned red too. Do not get that behaviour anywhere else I’ve lived.Â
On the bright side, we are #1 in the world at producing strategies and plans.
Pretty sure there is correlation between this kind of low level enforcement and reduced road accidents. So on one side they’re all about reducing road deaths and on the other they won’t implement very very basic systems, well tested in other countries to help with that.Â
Does it not read that they’ve shelved the interim plan they had in favour of a much larger plan in the future i.e. more cameras installed and operating rather than just the one or two they had in mind for an interim plan?
Not excusing them for not having it done citywide already but a fully setup and working system is better than an interim plan that never goes anywhere
I wonder since the Childrens Hospital are the government afraid to commit to anything now if it has potential to balloon in cost?
“Longer Term thinking” 🤔… Who believes this?
Every traffic light system in Ireland needs to be upgraded – filter lights missing, timings wrong, not enough time to clear a junction before red –
Get the finger out !
That’s Bullshit, we need the cameras now 🤬🤬🤬
Ah sure it’ll be grand
By my count a traffic camera light in D14 area I frequent would catch 2-3 cars/cycle. So about 1000/day.
Drafts, reports, strategies, draft strategies, more reports, consultations, nothing.
This fucking country…
Good oul backwards Ireland strikes again! 🤦‍♂️
Examples like this are a clear indictment of the lack of leadership and drive in both national politics and the Civil Service in the last decade. Staggering how we cannot begin such a program and scale it up over time. The benefits are clear, it will part finance itself and build good will among the populace but they’d rather remain in the current state of inertia.
The red light running and bus lane violations I see on a daily basis in Dublin would be laughable if they weren’t frequently so dangerous. People know they won’t be held accountable so just don’t give a fk anymore.
That Patrick Collison article in The Irish Times a few months ago was right about the bubble of bureaucracy Ministers (and Secretary Generals of Govt Depts) have built up around them whereby there’s no direct responsibility for anyone to tackle such issues. And of course there’s no end in sight to this approach either!
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