00:00 Speaker A

The news crossed that Demis Hassabis was going to transition to a new role at Deep Mind at Google and that um Jeff Dean was going to be leaving, who’s the chief scientist. Hassabis is now going to, am I saying his name right, Hassabis? He’s going to be now the chief scientist at Google as well as the chair of Deep Mind. Like just a shakeup there. Um, you know, very interesting that that is happening.

00:30 Speaker B

Not a good look for Google, uh, especially or Alphabet, whatever. Google. Uh, especially as, you know, we’ve seen reporting that like I said earlier that they’re uh Gemini 3.5 Pro, that would be their next frontier model is delayed. Um, because it they wanted to button up some of the coding capabilities to match up with what’s going on with uh, you know, I guess uh Opus 5 at Anthropic and 5.6 uh over at uh Open AI. So losing these people, you know, chief scientists, you know, seeing uh uh Demis move up into the chairman role, it doesn’t feel as though that that’s what you want at a time where this this company went from, you know, a red alert, right? Alarm bells going off to leading in AI,

01:42 Speaker C

Yep.

01:43 Speaker B

to now starting to fall back a little bit. And it’s not as though they’re they’re in danger of losing, you know, any kind of parody or they’ve lost parody, I guess with the very, very, very frontier. But it it it’s kind of a uh an overall sense of of what’s going on within within Google. There’s issues with capacity, there’s infighting over who can get access to capacity to use for their different needs for research, for powering models, for training models, uh for running, you know, customer services. And then you have this and it just feels like uh there’s there’s there’s too much going on at a company where you feel as in in a negative way, where you feel that this should be the I mean they made they they developed the idea of transformer models. They should be

02:44 Speaker A

They should be the leader.

02:46 Speaker B

in the leadership.

02:47 Speaker A

And it’s against this backdrop that they are reportedly considering another $25 billion bond sale.

02:54 Speaker B

Yeah.