00:00 Dan

Yeah, it was uh really an interesting kind of round of testimony today uh in that Oakland courtroom uh listening to it uh from afar in Queens, but the uh the I think one of the the bigger takeaways was how uh the relationship between Musk and Nadella kind of came up multiple times. Basically, uh they were questions about, you know, whether or not Musk ever brought up any issues that he had with Microsoft and their deal with OpenAI. And Nadella said, no, you know, despite having his phone number, uh he never heard anything from Musk about any problems with regards to to OpenAI and their dealings with Microsoft and, you know, that’s kind of one of the things that uh Musk has pointed to. He kind of alleges that Microsoft helped with uh aiding and abetting fraud against him uh through uh the OpenAI deal uh and with their work with Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, the the president of Open AI over there. Uh we also kind of got uh a little bit more insight into the firing of Sam Altman back in 2023.

01:05 Dan

Uh there were questions about, you know, what uh Nadella’s response was and he basically said, I was pulled out of a meeting uh and told, I didn’t know that this was actually going to happen. Uh it just did. Uh and then when he said he tried to get more clarity on the ouster, they basically provided nothing that uh he still was rather unclear as to why exactly Altman was let go uh in the first place. So two really kind of interesting uh tidbits from Nadella during his testimony. Uh a lot of questions uh back and forth regarding uh how Microsoft benefits from its relationship with OpenAI, uh whether they uh benefit the public uh sorry, the the nonprofit arm, uh what they wanted to see when it came to potential board members uh and things along those lines. But, you know, really, I think uh the the biggest kind of pieces here were about Musk not raising any issue with uh Nadella. uh and then again about the the ouster. Uh that’s kind of in the the the rearview at this point, obviously, Altman is the the the CEO of Open AI, but, you know, that that all still feels very kind of shaded uh and you know,

02:10 Dan

I I guess misunderstanding or or uh a lack of uh as Nadella said, clarity.

02:16 Speaker B

That Microsoft Open AI relationship, Dan, has been sort, you know, it’s been evolving. I’m just curious to get your take on how it’s be been evolving and what you make of that partnership now, Dan?

02:32 Dan

Yeah, it’s really kind of gone from like, hey, we’re best friends to, yeah, you know, like we hang out sometimes. Uh, it’s it’s very much where, you know, uh you would have Altman on stage with Nadella when uh they kind of announced that they were going to launch uh Microsoft was going to relaunch Bing uh with uh Chat BT or GPT. Uh I forget which version it was, but uh to now where Microsoft is openly working with uh Anthropic, uh OpenAI is working with Google and Amazon. Uh you know, they’ve rewritten kind of the the terms of their deal. Uh and so, you know, it it does feel as though it’s continued to grow uh more distant as as time goes on. you know, OpenAI really wants more access to computing power. Um Microsoft still has a large stake in uh the for-profit uh part of OpenAI. So they’ll they’ll continue to do well as long as OpenAI does well and it it behooves uh them to make sure that OpenAI does well. Uh but the relationship doesn’t seem as as close as it seemingly once was.