I mean, it makes sense. Brexit cost households thousands each year, and added costs and red tape for businesses.
For all the complaining Reform/Tories do about small businesses and household finances getting hammered, they sure don’t take responsibility for the fact that they campaigned for a massive trade rupture with our nearest, biggest trade bloc.
Given the biggest supporters of Brexit are from Labours (former?) heartlands, not sure this is a great strategy for them
If it wasn’t for the old people, the next election would be fought between Labour and the Greens.
But I fear the old people are going to screw us again.
It’s not a clever plan, even if the demographics have shifted more in favour of the Remain/Rejoin bloc overall. Pro-Europe voters are going to be split between Labour, Lib-Dems, Greens, SNP and PC. Meanwhile the Eurosceptic faction are only split between Conservatives and Reform. This would lead to a repeat of 2019, but with the sizes of the Blue and Teal results flipped. If Labour want to win in 2029, they need to convert some proportion of the working class Brexit voters back and making the election about Europe won’t help them.
I hate brexit, but could never vote for someone so authoritarian…
I think this is great.
All parties should have a position on closer of further relations with the EU or even rejoin it. If it’s in their manifesto then its a de-facto second referendum.
I’d assume Reform and the Tories would be on one side and all the other parties on the other.
> “Farage doesn’t actually want to talk about Brexit any more because he knows his project has failed,” one said, pointing to the negative impact that Britain’s exit from the EU has had on the economy.
The issue is that unless Labour commit to reversing Brexit, which they won’t, then I don’t see how this can hit.
‘Farage’s Brexit project has failed… but also we still think Brexit is good and we’re fully committed to it!’
Also Starmer making *another* major u-turn on his positions won’t make him look any less dishonest, which is probably the biggest problem he’s facing right now. People’s main problem with Starmer isn’t his policy platform, it’s his character.
I do want to rejoin the EU, but Starmer is clearly the wrong person for job of selling the idea to the public. He doesn’t inspire vision in people, he is a manger who somehow has ended up in a leadership role.
The only way this would work is if he campaigned to take Britain into the EU,
Then I could see people coming back from greens, SNP, Lib Dem’s,
Otherwise it won’t work. Labour supporters from the red wall will vote reform and he won’t win votes from any other party.
> Sir Keir Starmer is planning to make Brexit the key dividing line at the next general election as the government attempts to claw back voters lost to Reform UK, The Independent understands.
I don’t see the connection. Leaving aside whether Labour-to-Reform voters should be the government’s primary focus (they shouldn’t, there’s too few of them), according to YouGov’s most recent poll 7% of Remain voters support Reform and 50% of Leave voters support Reform. So I don’t see how closer ties to Europe is going to win over Reform voters, though it may very well win over non-Reform voters.
Been saying this for ages! This is the last grenade in the box, the GE will be a referendum on the EU.
I’m so impressed by labours commitment to losing hearts and minds.
Appealing to an anti-migrarion,pro-eu block is gonna be resonate with some people, but it’s not claiming ground from the right, not winning back the left and hardly gonna mobilize non voters.
You’ve got a party in power, at a time when people are screaming for improved standards of living, to feel less poor, desperate for a government that looks out for them, with a party based on that, and instead your going after the lib dem base?
This is obviously a great move. It’s highly likely Reform won’t survive on 3 years of doing what its doing right now without taking a hit regarding popularity.
In Austria, their Reform UK equivalent won with the largest chunk of the vote (29%), but all other parties (except the Austrian greens) formed a coalition to keep them out of government. It isn’t too unbelievable that a coalition of two or more of Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and SNP/PC forms to keep Reform out of government
*Lets split our vote more between the Greens and the Lib Dems and lose the red wall.*
The dodgeball meme of “its a bold strategy lets see how it works out for them” comes to mind.
Ah good, the world is so stable right now I’m glad we can plan and report on caring about the plan for an election in what 3 years time.
Let’s stop day dreaming, opposition will say:
‘And now Mr Speaker, he is even U-Turning on things which he didn’t even do in the first place. He has run out of ideas, out of u-turns, and now borrows my parties policies to u-turn on’.
And the little board of sampling will wring their hands and u-turn him on the Brexit u-turn.
I hope I’m allowed in here as a French person ❤️ please tell me if not
The US also has a national security strategy to project power over the UK by supplying liquified gas and has tried to thwart the EU/UK plan for a renewable and progressive energy grid.
We would love to see you guys back in Europe in any capacity that would work for you ❤️ 🇬🇧🤝🇫🇷even a Schengen or partnership in some way would piss everyone else off haha (what our nations do best)
We have been through a lot and faced the darkness together for centuries and it’s clear now the US is quite happy to turn on its closest allies for greed. We are stronger together.
This is an obvious strategy. It’s unfortunate for the uk that he does not have a referendum now and get the uk back into the eu but that’s politics for you.
Meanwhile, the rest of the country besides Starmer will be voting based on wanting to get Starmer and co the hell out of office.
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I mean, it makes sense. Brexit cost households thousands each year, and added costs and red tape for businesses.
For all the complaining Reform/Tories do about small businesses and household finances getting hammered, they sure don’t take responsibility for the fact that they campaigned for a massive trade rupture with our nearest, biggest trade bloc.
Given the biggest supporters of Brexit are from Labours (former?) heartlands, not sure this is a great strategy for them
If it wasn’t for the old people, the next election would be fought between Labour and the Greens.
But I fear the old people are going to screw us again.
It’s not a clever plan, even if the demographics have shifted more in favour of the Remain/Rejoin bloc overall. Pro-Europe voters are going to be split between Labour, Lib-Dems, Greens, SNP and PC. Meanwhile the Eurosceptic faction are only split between Conservatives and Reform. This would lead to a repeat of 2019, but with the sizes of the Blue and Teal results flipped. If Labour want to win in 2029, they need to convert some proportion of the working class Brexit voters back and making the election about Europe won’t help them.
I hate brexit, but could never vote for someone so authoritarian…
I think this is great.
All parties should have a position on closer of further relations with the EU or even rejoin it. If it’s in their manifesto then its a de-facto second referendum.
I’d assume Reform and the Tories would be on one side and all the other parties on the other.
> “Farage doesn’t actually want to talk about Brexit any more because he knows his project has failed,” one said, pointing to the negative impact that Britain’s exit from the EU has had on the economy.
The issue is that unless Labour commit to reversing Brexit, which they won’t, then I don’t see how this can hit.
‘Farage’s Brexit project has failed… but also we still think Brexit is good and we’re fully committed to it!’
Also Starmer making *another* major u-turn on his positions won’t make him look any less dishonest, which is probably the biggest problem he’s facing right now. People’s main problem with Starmer isn’t his policy platform, it’s his character.
I do want to rejoin the EU, but Starmer is clearly the wrong person for job of selling the idea to the public. He doesn’t inspire vision in people, he is a manger who somehow has ended up in a leadership role.
The only way this would work is if he campaigned to take Britain into the EU,
Then I could see people coming back from greens, SNP, Lib Dem’s,
Otherwise it won’t work. Labour supporters from the red wall will vote reform and he won’t win votes from any other party.
> Sir Keir Starmer is planning to make Brexit the key dividing line at the next general election as the government attempts to claw back voters lost to Reform UK, The Independent understands.
I don’t see the connection. Leaving aside whether Labour-to-Reform voters should be the government’s primary focus (they shouldn’t, there’s too few of them), according to YouGov’s most recent poll 7% of Remain voters support Reform and 50% of Leave voters support Reform. So I don’t see how closer ties to Europe is going to win over Reform voters, though it may very well win over non-Reform voters.
Been saying this for ages! This is the last grenade in the box, the GE will be a referendum on the EU.
I’m so impressed by labours commitment to losing hearts and minds.
Appealing to an anti-migrarion,pro-eu block is gonna be resonate with some people, but it’s not claiming ground from the right, not winning back the left and hardly gonna mobilize non voters.
You’ve got a party in power, at a time when people are screaming for improved standards of living, to feel less poor, desperate for a government that looks out for them, with a party based on that, and instead your going after the lib dem base?
This is obviously a great move. It’s highly likely Reform won’t survive on 3 years of doing what its doing right now without taking a hit regarding popularity.
In Austria, their Reform UK equivalent won with the largest chunk of the vote (29%), but all other parties (except the Austrian greens) formed a coalition to keep them out of government. It isn’t too unbelievable that a coalition of two or more of Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and SNP/PC forms to keep Reform out of government
*Lets split our vote more between the Greens and the Lib Dems and lose the red wall.*
The dodgeball meme of “its a bold strategy lets see how it works out for them” comes to mind.
Ah good, the world is so stable right now I’m glad we can plan and report on caring about the plan for an election in what 3 years time.
Let’s stop day dreaming, opposition will say:
‘And now Mr Speaker, he is even U-Turning on things which he didn’t even do in the first place. He has run out of ideas, out of u-turns, and now borrows my parties policies to u-turn on’.
And the little board of sampling will wring their hands and u-turn him on the Brexit u-turn.
I hope I’m allowed in here as a French person ❤️ please tell me if not
last week I read a lot about US and how they project power over other countries and how they deem it a national security strategy to break apart the EU starting with Italy, Poland, Austria and Hungary https://amp.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-hungary-from-eu/a-75134777
Combined all European countries: $18trillion – the worlds second largest economy
The US is also in debt of $18trillion too. Trump interfered in Brexit:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trump-backed-brexit-then-he-used-it-as-leverage/
The US also has a national security strategy to project power over the UK by supplying liquified gas and has tried to thwart the EU/UK plan for a renewable and progressive energy grid.
We would love to see you guys back in Europe in any capacity that would work for you ❤️ 🇬🇧🤝🇫🇷even a Schengen or partnership in some way would piss everyone else off haha (what our nations do best)
We have been through a lot and faced the darkness together for centuries and it’s clear now the US is quite happy to turn on its closest allies for greed. We are stronger together.
This is an obvious strategy. It’s unfortunate for the uk that he does not have a referendum now and get the uk back into the eu but that’s politics for you.
Meanwhile, the rest of the country besides Starmer will be voting based on wanting to get Starmer and co the hell out of office.