So the moment someone like Le Pen comes into power Germany has nothing.
wasnt Germany just complaining about France’s military spending?
>Instead, Merz suggested seeing whether France and the U.K. could be elevated to the same level as the U.S. nuclear umbrella to shield Europe and ensure NATO’s territorial integrity.
The UK has already committed its nukes to NATO’s protection (still under UK’s sovereign ownership and control ofc) for over 60 years.
Even if the US backs out and France doesn’t extend it’s nuclear umbrella, all of our NATO allies will still be under the UK’s nuclear umbrella.
I think, as a fellow neighbour, that Germany absolutely ***should have*** nukes
British nukes are entirely dependent on US support so Europe only really has the French as an independent deterrent. We need at least one more IMO.
And I don’t think it should be Germany tbh. Personally I’d like to see a nordic country collaboration on its own nuclear weapons program since its both economically and technically feasible as well as having a wide range of options on where to place them to make it hard for Russia to counter them.
That’s a bit weird to say it and at the same time argue against the nuclear weapon constraints on fcas
This article doesn’t seem to suggest any solutions to the deep seated problems that exist with all of these proposals.
France has continued to insist that any nuclear sharing happen almost exclusively on French terms, with the option to wriggle out of the obligations if necessary, while the UK has consistently opposed the idea of nuclear sharing as non-credible and overly-expensive. Meanwhile, neither of their alternate solutions are acceptable to the nuclear sharing states.
Much like an integrated European army, everyone can see the benefits of a European deterrent, and that’s what gets all the focus, but it’s the practical issues and difficulties that will actually determine whether it happens or not.
Until France is willing to offer a better deal than ‘French pilots in French aircraft with French weapons sitting on German runways at German expense waiting for orders exclusively from the French president’, or until the UK is willing to go beyond minimal credible deterrence and develop a secondary capability, the sharing states are going to stick with their status quo, however imperfect it is.
No one would allow Germany to have nukes anyway. Not after both WW and AfD on the rise. The US, UK, Russia and France would oppose it. Any new nukes in Europe will be through the EU, not one individual country.
So long as germany is run by zionists them getting nukes sounds awful.
> Germany won’t build nukes but could flash French, UK weapons to deter foes, Merz says
That’s a strange thing to say, especially given the whole troubles with Eurofighter and the current FCAS.
Germany nor any other EU, except for France, country is getting a nuclear weapons program. It would mean the end of the NPT which has so far worked out pretty great.
It’s forbidden from building nukes, per nuclear non-proliferation treaties
We had this conversation 30 years ago on why nuclear proliferation doesn’t and cannot work yet here we are again. First as a tragedy then as a farce I guess.
Isn’t Germany already protected by the nuclear umbrella?
They will be so f’ed when Le Pen (or someone similar) takes power.
US controls UK’s nukes, and they have Trump and other right wing lunatics. France seems to want to go ultra right wing, hard. So, they’ll be f’ed.
Everyone knows that Merz doesn’t have right to use French nuclear weapons… so what is point of “the flash”?
Poland should build nukes, not Germany.
Why not? Israel did it in direct contravention of non-proliferation treaty and nothing happened.
I hope the Germans don’t flash us next :'(
I feel it makes so much sense to start a federation in Europe, with a strong central government. Then France’s nukes are all our nukes, and we can restart production without breaking the bank, if necessary. Because financially it doesn’t make sense for Germany to make their own, and making additional ones is ridiculously expensive for a single country.
The current countries can keep their pension system and healthcare system as is, but defense and foreign policy is done by the federation.
I’m fine with the proposed 6 countries, but for the love of god, start
Oh my Mr Merz! What an impressive missile you have hiding there.
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So the moment someone like Le Pen comes into power Germany has nothing.
wasnt Germany just complaining about France’s military spending?
>Instead, Merz suggested seeing whether France and the U.K. could be elevated to the same level as the U.S. nuclear umbrella to shield Europe and ensure NATO’s territorial integrity.
The UK has already committed its nukes to NATO’s protection (still under UK’s sovereign ownership and control ofc) for over 60 years.
Even if the US backs out and France doesn’t extend it’s nuclear umbrella, all of our NATO allies will still be under the UK’s nuclear umbrella.
I think, as a fellow neighbour, that Germany absolutely ***should have*** nukes
British nukes are entirely dependent on US support so Europe only really has the French as an independent deterrent. We need at least one more IMO.
And I don’t think it should be Germany tbh. Personally I’d like to see a nordic country collaboration on its own nuclear weapons program since its both economically and technically feasible as well as having a wide range of options on where to place them to make it hard for Russia to counter them.
That’s a bit weird to say it and at the same time argue against the nuclear weapon constraints on fcas
This article doesn’t seem to suggest any solutions to the deep seated problems that exist with all of these proposals.
France has continued to insist that any nuclear sharing happen almost exclusively on French terms, with the option to wriggle out of the obligations if necessary, while the UK has consistently opposed the idea of nuclear sharing as non-credible and overly-expensive. Meanwhile, neither of their alternate solutions are acceptable to the nuclear sharing states.
Much like an integrated European army, everyone can see the benefits of a European deterrent, and that’s what gets all the focus, but it’s the practical issues and difficulties that will actually determine whether it happens or not.
Until France is willing to offer a better deal than ‘French pilots in French aircraft with French weapons sitting on German runways at German expense waiting for orders exclusively from the French president’, or until the UK is willing to go beyond minimal credible deterrence and develop a secondary capability, the sharing states are going to stick with their status quo, however imperfect it is.
No one would allow Germany to have nukes anyway. Not after both WW and AfD on the rise. The US, UK, Russia and France would oppose it. Any new nukes in Europe will be through the EU, not one individual country.
So long as germany is run by zionists them getting nukes sounds awful.
> Germany won’t build nukes but could flash French, UK weapons to deter foes, Merz says
That’s a strange thing to say, especially given the whole troubles with Eurofighter and the current FCAS.
Germany nor any other EU, except for France, country is getting a nuclear weapons program. It would mean the end of the NPT which has so far worked out pretty great.
It’s forbidden from building nukes, per nuclear non-proliferation treaties
We had this conversation 30 years ago on why nuclear proliferation doesn’t and cannot work yet here we are again. First as a tragedy then as a farce I guess.
Isn’t Germany already protected by the nuclear umbrella?
They will be so f’ed when Le Pen (or someone similar) takes power.
US controls UK’s nukes, and they have Trump and other right wing lunatics. France seems to want to go ultra right wing, hard. So, they’ll be f’ed.
Everyone knows that Merz doesn’t have right to use French nuclear weapons… so what is point of “the flash”?
Poland should build nukes, not Germany.
Why not? Israel did it in direct contravention of non-proliferation treaty and nothing happened.
I hope the Germans don’t flash us next :'(
I feel it makes so much sense to start a federation in Europe, with a strong central government. Then France’s nukes are all our nukes, and we can restart production without breaking the bank, if necessary. Because financially it doesn’t make sense for Germany to make their own, and making additional ones is ridiculously expensive for a single country.
The current countries can keep their pension system and healthcare system as is, but defense and foreign policy is done by the federation.
I’m fine with the proposed 6 countries, but for the love of god, start
Oh my Mr Merz! What an impressive missile you have hiding there.