I have no connection with the restaurant or caucassian group that is mentioned in the news. My concern is the statement that news contained as a naturalized citizen, I found it uncomfortable.

The statement is below and I will highlight the parts made me uncomfortable in bold.

The owners are a couple who operate a chain of Caucasian-style restaurants — a female Finnish citizen and a naturalized Finnish male.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20216588

What are your thoughts on this? I really wouldn't like people to base on this and start calling us naturalized Finnish citizens. Finnish citizen is a Finnish citizen by law. You can get it by being born as one or being naturalized or by using declaration. How you get it irrelevant.



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HappyBerry2024

12 comments

  1. It’s descriptive. I doubt Yle of all sources is passing any judgement.

  2. I think it acknowledges the accomplishment of achieving the citizenship. I don’t mind at all the use of the term.

  3. It’s a pretty significant distinction regardless.

  4. You know, the further we go on, the more we seem to adopt an americanized way of thinking… I think that statement goes both ways. Make of it what you will… (I’m “Finnish”, too.)

  5. How you feel is valid. As a white, very Finnish looking Finnish citizen who was raised abroad and without the language, moved here as an adult— there is a lot of othering happening in our society and I am not a fan of news outlets encouraging it. It might not seem to more than an informational identifier but it can definitely be seen and used as a way to highlight the difference between “real” Finnish and “not real” Finnish.

  6. What irks me first reading it is “Caucasian style” what even is that?! 🤣 I understand Nordic style or western ( even tho that’s also very broad).

    The naturalization I dunno how to take it. It would be more interesting to hear where the person originates from as that will very likely influence their style, like Italy, Spain, Korea, Mexico… whatever.

    If it has zero bearing on the article then I would totally agree that specifying that one was born here by blood and the other got citizenship later in life is irrelevant 🤷‍♀️

  7. If you read the article, i think it was purposefully used to describe the male owner. Maybe to differentiate him to the other owner who is a finnish citizen. IMO it’s a good thing they did this, as people in the comments will be quick again to speculate the nationality of the owners. Now that YLE pointed out that one is a Finnish Citizen, and the other one is a naturalized Finnish Citizen, it would lessen arguments. I think…

  8. Why do you find it uncomfortable? I’m not the most sensitive of people, I give you that, but I honestly have a hard time seeing what the issue could be.

  9. Sounds a lot like the alt-right party in the UK stating that “it’s more than just paperwork that makes someone British”, they were being pretty clear they thought muslims and other immigrants didn’t count

  10. When, in this case, the question is of someone who is not ethnically Finnish abusing others who are not ethnically Finnish, I think it brings important context to this, and honestly not including it would imo be rather misleading.

    I can’t personally recall a single case in the restaurant field where a place ran by only ethnic Finns systematically abused a group of foreigners. Though this does of course happen as well, at least in the so called platform economy.

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