{"id":100251,"date":"2025-10-03T01:57:09","date_gmt":"2025-10-03T01:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/100251\/"},"modified":"2025-10-03T01:57:09","modified_gmt":"2025-10-03T01:57:09","slug":"daryl-stuermer-and-phil-collins-were-a-perfect-music-match","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/100251\/","title":{"rendered":"Daryl Stuermer and Phil Collins Were a Perfect Music Match"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>                  <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/f7fab6013847ec72a32c9a10c5a4328c4c-daryl-stuermer-in-sesssion.rhorizontal.w700.jpg\" class=\"lede-image\" data-content-img=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" style=\"width:100%;height:auto;\" fetchpriority=\"high\"\/> <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/tags\/in-session\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">In Session<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"article-details-body\" data-editable=\"body\">\n                A Vulture series in which studio musicians select their best performances.\n            <\/p>\n<p>\n                  \u201cPhil was just a blue-collar guy, and all of a sudden he became a star.\u201d<br \/>\n                  Photo-Illustration: Vulture; Photos: Getty\n              <\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmfwtluep000i0ifh37vnec41@published\" data-word-count=\"215\">If you have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LfHfj4j1yEQ\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">two ears and heart<\/a>, you\u2019re naturally inclined to enjoy the music of Phil Collins. The man had an unimpeachable run of dominance during the 1980s \u2014 we\u2019ll leave the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/phil-collins-sussudio-demo.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sussudio<\/a>\u201d debate for another time \u2014 and along for the ascension was guitarist Daryl Stuermer. Chosen by Genesis to become a touring member after the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/genesis-steve-hackett-circus-and-the-nightwhale.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">departure of Steve Hackett<\/a> (\u201cThey needed a guitarist to come in and duplicate what he was so masterfully doing,\u201d Stuermer recalls), he was quietly approached by Collins when he started to consider a solo career. The two artists quickly realized that they shared a strong musical sensibility, and when Collins indeed began work on his first album, Face Value, Stuermer was recruited as his trusted sideman. He would go on to perform on every album and tour with Collins, minus his non-collaborative 1993 album, Both Sides, until <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/phil-collins-hospital-knee.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Collins\u2019s public retirement<\/a> due to illness. (All while continuing to tour with Genesis until their own farewell tour.) \u201cI didn\u2019t know that my relationship with him was going to start in 1978 and pretty much go until 2022,\u201d Stuermer now says. \u201cI never thought that would happen. It\u2019s almost like being a member of a family. I\u2019m the only musician in the band who started with him and ended with him.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg89lvd3000h3b6pcu7d4k4e@published\" data-word-count=\"104\">Stuermer\u2019s kinetic guitar work shines in the <a href=\"https:\/\/store.rhino.com\/en\/rhino-store\/artists\/phil-collins\/no-jacket-required-fully-tailored-4lp\/0603497817023.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq6qWWMvBy4smA4GzlEIs0Bh8NADEkQmZaEAFyq7Qt0NAHfiX-T\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">new<\/a> box set for No Jacket Required, a remaster that highlights his rhythms and solos in hits such as \u201cOne More Night\u201d and \u201cDon\u2019t Lose My Number.\u201d Despite having not talked to Collins, who continues to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/phil-collins-hospital-knee.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">deal with health issues<\/a>, in a year, Stuermer is effusive about his old friend throughout our discussion about his best performances. \u201cPhil has been such a wonderful person to work with,\u201d he says. \u201cI feel bad for his physical problems now, but at his peak, from Face Value up to Both Sides, he was a force that couldn\u2019t be reckoned with.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthsr000e3b6i8b788bpc@published\" data-word-count=\"240\">One day I was rehearsing with Genesis in Shepperton Studios, and after our rehearsal, Phil Collins asked me, \u201cAre you going back into London? I\u2019m going there too. I\u2019ll take you back, but I want you to hear something.\u201d So I was sitting in his car, and he put a cassette in. He put on this song that he called \u201cIn the Air Tonight.\u201d It was a demo \u2014 it started out with the drum machine, and then the keyboards came in. I was sitting there thinking to myself, What is this? It sounds like a great song for Genesis. He didn\u2019t even have the big drum fill on the song when I heard the demo, it was just a drum machine, keyboards, and vocals. I didn\u2019t know he was a songwriter at the time, because most of his writing was working with Mike Rutherford, or the whole band would write songs together. Frankly, Mike and Tony Banks were the main writers for Genesis at that point. He finally said, \u201cI want to do a solo album.\u201d It kind of blew me away, because I thought it would be a great album song for the band. Little did I know it would become quite a classic hit. He also played another demo called \u201cI Missed Again,\u201d which was a totally different kind of song in the R&amp;B and Motown feel. So I\u2019m thinking, What is this album going to be?<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthsw000f3b6ilzpfbkrk@published\" data-word-count=\"136\">He asked me if I\u2019d like to do this album with him. About a year went by, because we went on a long Genesis tour. I was living in Santa Monica, and Phil booked a studio that was only about a mile from where I lived. So this is when Face Value started for me. I didn\u2019t know where it was going to go, because it sounded so different to me. I thought, Is this going to be commercial enough? But when he did that drum fill for \u201cIn the Air Tonight,\u201d I thought, Wow, this is really original. It\u2019s not that it\u2019s the most complicated drum fill in the world, but it was the most original-sounding song I\u2019d ever heard. Phil was just a blue-collar guy, and all of a sudden he became a star.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthuc000h3b6itkrmybin@published\" data-word-count=\"131\">It\u2019s funny, because Phil never sits down and says, \u201cThis is what I want to do.\u201d He always thoroughly demos everything first in his house. The one thing Phil can\u2019t play is guitar, which I\u2019m very happy about, because then he used me on everything. I\u2019ve always felt bad for, say, the keyboard players we had in the band. A lot of times they didn\u2019t get a chance to play on the records because Phil would play on his demos and would keep those parts, which were fine parts, but I always felt if I was the guitar player that was listening to the demos and I couldn\u2019t play on the actual record, I\u2019d feel bad. But he always allowed you to bring a little bit of yourself into each song.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthxh000o3b6if6u1nyqd@published\" data-word-count=\"154\">I always think of \u201cYou Can\u2019t Hurry Love\u201d for that reason, because we played the arrangement similar to the original, but I played both guitar parts in different keys than the original. Because the Supremes are all female voices, they have a much higher range, so Phil had to put it in his range. So we approached the song as if we were just going to cover it but in a different key, and it pretty much stayed true to the original. Most people who were younger thought it was an original song. That happens with occasional songs that Phil covers. In fact, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=O6FXmdoGut8\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Taylor Swift did<\/a>. She did a cover of \u201cI Can\u2019t Stop Loving You,\u201d which was on Phil\u2019s album Testify. But, see, Phil didn\u2019t write that song. Billy Nicholls did, but it was a totally different version. Taylor Swift said it was a Phil Collins song, and it wasn\u2019t. That\u2019s his impact.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthvn000l3b6icman4q2l@published\" data-word-count=\"206\">Phil is a big <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/article\/sabrina-carpenter-earth-wind-and-fire-lollapalooza-interview.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Earth, Wind &amp; Fire fan<\/a>, so when Philip Bailey asked him to produce his solo record, he jumped on it. Philip said, \u201cI don\u2019t want this to be like a typical R&amp;B record. I want this to be something that\u2019s influenced by Phil Collins.\u201d So Phil told him, \u201cI\u2019m going to use my guitar player, Daryl.\u201d Believe it or not, \u201cEasy Lover\u201d was the last song we did on the record. We completed the whole album, and Phil said, \u201cIt\u2019s just lacking something. We need to keep working.\u201d It lacked what I\u2019d call a \u201cmoving\u201d hit song. So Phil, bassist Nathan East, and Philip started messing around with a piano part, and they came up with the chords to \u201cEasy Lover.\u201d We did it live in the studio. Once we finished most of the track, Phil said, \u201cIt needs a killer guitar solo.\u201d I was only doing the rhythm guitar part at first, but while listening to it back in the control room, I came up with the solo. We did about four tracks of soloing, but my first take was the best. I didn\u2019t like the way I executed the last two bars, so they took those bars from another take.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wti0i00123b6ibzyem5ph@published\" data-word-count=\"212\">So I\u2019m feeling pretty proud of myself, but then our great engineer, George Massenburg, asked me, \u201cCan you double it?\u201d And I said, \u201cYou want me to play the same thing again but double? Are you crazy?\u201d So I listened to the track a few more times and said, \u201cOkay, I think I can double it.\u201d I\u2019m playing that same guitar solo in unison with myself. It\u2019s not like you can hear that much of it \u2014 but if you listen really carefully, you can hear that second guitar every once in a while. It\u2019s like to say it\u2019s sitting behind it a little bit. A lot of people liked the sound of the double guitar in the 1980s. Now you can do that with an electronic effect and you don\u2019t have to physically double it. Phil looked over at me when I was playing and smiled and said, \u201cGet on!\u201d I was doing it so well that he didn\u2019t know I was actually playing along with another guitar. I mean, every once in a while you can hear one note being a little bit longer or shorter than the last one. It was just to make it sound thicker. It was a great idea, and I really enjoyed playing on it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthxk000r3b6i98rjjd2o@published\" data-word-count=\"159\">Similar to how we approached Phil\u2019s covers, this was a rare song that was written for him by a man named Stephen Bishop. But, Phil being Phil, he makes everything sound like his own. Recording it in the studio was normal enough, but I always think of what happened a few years later. Phil asked me if I would play with him specifically for Prince Charles. His 40th-birthday party was going to be at Buckingham Palace \u2014 there would be about 500 people, and there was no press allowed. So it was just me and Phil looking around at all of these fancy people. We started playing, went through one song, and Princess Diana walked up and said, \u201cCan you please play \u2018Separate Lives\u2019?\u201d At that time there were already some rumors going around that she and Prince Charles were having marital problems, and we thought it was kind of interesting that she asked us to do \u201cSeparate Lives.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wykl1003d3b6iosp7p9ac@published\" data-word-count=\"64\">So we agreed, and then performed \u201cOne More Night.\u201d Prince Charles and Princess Diana actually danced to that one. Everybody moved aside, and they just danced to the song together. But that was a lot of fun to do. I love doing things with him where we\u2019re alone, because I\u2019ll just play acoustic guitar, either nylon-string or steel-string guitar, and then he\u2019ll play piano.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthxo000t3b6i8eble6tl@published\" data-word-count=\"112\">This isn\u2019t the most popular song, but I was getting more and more experimental with my guitar playing, and \u201cThru These Walls\u201d encapsulates my achievements. Phil very much encouraged playing with different effects and things like that. Prior to even being with Genesis or Phil, I worked with the composer Jean-Luc Ponty and learned a lot from him. A lot of guitarists use pedal boards now with a dozen or so pedals, but at that time, I didn\u2019t have any effects other than a wah-wah. So getting in with a band like Genesis or an artist like Phil, all of a sudden you get much more experimental and creative in your choices.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wz1q5003s3b6iwwg9sace@published\" data-word-count=\"124\">It\u2019s not just the notes you\u2019re applying, it\u2019s the sound of the notes you\u2019re applying and how that influences the way you actually execute the song or perform it. A lot of times, you\u2019re overdubbing on sessions and then you actually have to bring that sound to the live performance. That\u2019s always a challenge, because on most of Phil\u2019s records, I\u2019m playing at least two different guitar parts, if not three. So when you play live, you have to ask yourself, Which parts are the most important parts to play? Can I even do both? For a long time, we didn\u2019t have two guitar players in Phil\u2019s band. I believe it was 1997 where we finally added a second guitarist. Thank God for that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthzn00103b6i50tvig9r@published\" data-word-count=\"165\">Before we recorded No Jacket Required, Phil had me go over to England and play on the demos so he could have guitar parts on them. While I was there, I played him a song of mine \u2014 just an instrumental, because I was going to be doing a solo record by myself. I called it \u201cF Song\u201d at the time. So I played it for him, and he said, \u201cI really like it. Would you mind if I write lyrics for it?\u201d And I thought, Don\u2019t touch my song. But, of course, if Phil\u2019s going to write lyrics to my song, that\u2019s an incredible thing. So I responded, \u201cGo ahead.\u201d He took my melody and played around with it for several weeks. The song ended up on the album, and it\u2019s called \u201cI Don\u2019t Wanna Know.\u201d I also helped him finish \u201cDoesn\u2019t Anybody Stay Together Anymore\u201d and \u201cOnly You Know and I Know.\u201d So there\u2019s clearly a lot of \u201cknows\u201d in my lyrical wheelhouse.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthxp000v3b6imte331n0@published\" data-word-count=\"120\">This was a big one. Phil came up to me in the studio and said, \u201cI\u2019ll want a guitar solo, around 45 seconds.\u201d The dream for any guitarist! When I do a solo, I usually don\u2019t take a lot of tracks to do it. My best performance is, like on \u201cEasy Lover,\u201d usually the first, because what happens is I start knowing the song too well if I keep doing it over and over again. What I\u2019ll do is solo maybe three times at most, and usually the first take is used and perhaps one or additional two lines from another take. The first one is always the most inspired. And that\u2019s what went down with \u201cDon\u2019t Lose My Number.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"www.vulture.com\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmg6wthxw000w3b6inuvk5ntk@published\" data-word-count=\"138\">Phil had the verses worked out but didn\u2019t know how the chorus was going to go. Then he didn\u2019t have a bridge, so he asked me to listen to the demo to see if I could come up with something. And I did! So I got a co-writing credit. What\u2019s funny about \u201cSomething Happened on the Way to Heaven\u201d is it ended up having three different bass players. The first time he demoed it, he got Leland Sklar to play bass, because Leland is on some other songs on the record. Then the next time, I changed some of the chords and played bass on it myself. Then with the final version, Nathan East took over what I laid down and tweaked it. If I\u2019ve learned anything from Phil, it\u2019s that things always change as you go along.<\/p>\n<p>      <a class=\"see-all-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.vulture.com\/tags\/in-session\" aria-label=\"See All from More From The &#039;in session&#039; Series\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><br \/>\n        See All<\/p>\n<p>      <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In Session A Vulture series in which studio musicians select their best performances. \u201cPhil was just a blue-collar&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":100252,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[268],"tags":[434,63660,18,117,63661,19,63658,17,337,63659,16007,16008],"class_list":{"0":"post-100251","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-celebrities","8":"tag-celebrities","9":"tag-daryl-stuermer","10":"tag-eire","11":"tag-entertainment","12":"tag-guitars","13":"tag-ie","14":"tag-in-session","15":"tag-ireland","16":"tag-music","17":"tag-phil-collins","18":"tag-vulture-homepage-lede","19":"tag-vulture-section-lede"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/100251","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=100251"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/100251\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/100252"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=100251"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=100251"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=100251"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}