{"id":166173,"date":"2025-11-06T14:21:14","date_gmt":"2025-11-06T14:21:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/166173\/"},"modified":"2025-11-06T14:21:14","modified_gmt":"2025-11-06T14:21:14","slug":"if-you-look-closely-you-can-see-a-cabinet-rift-opening-on-immigration-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/166173\/","title":{"rendered":"If you look closely, you can see a Cabinet rift opening on immigration \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Did you notice the Cabinet rift starting to open on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/immigration\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/immigration\/\">immigration<\/a>? You might have missed it. Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was reported as backing up <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/10\/30\/simon-harris-accused-of-going-down-the-nigel-farage-route-over-immigration-comments\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/10\/30\/simon-harris-accused-of-going-down-the-nigel-farage-route-over-immigration-comments\/\">comments by T\u00e1naiste Simon Harris<\/a> who said rules needed to be tightened. And he did, to the extent that he said proper controls were needed on the asylum process. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But while Harris <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/11\/04\/simon-harris-calls-for-rational-calm-informed-debate-on-immigration\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/11\/04\/simon-harris-calls-for-rational-calm-informed-debate-on-immigration\/\">went on subsequently to say<\/a> that he believed overall immigration was too high \u2013 including the numbers coming here to work as well as those seeking asylum, Donohoe\u2019s comments were different. He underlined that having an open economy and society had been \u201ctremendously important\u201d for Ireland. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">He added: \u201cIf we are going to, and I believe we should, maintain support for that openness in the future and make the case for the value of openness, we need rules to do that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2025\/11\/01\/cliff-taylor-lets-talk-about-immigration-logically-and-dispassionately\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Cliff Taylor: T\u00e1naiste Simon Harris is trying to have it both ways on the festering immigration debateOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The Government is clearly tightening the rules on asylum seekers, which is one aspect of immigration. A new EU pact on the topic, to which Ireland is broadly signing up, will continue this trend.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But Harris has also said he believes that too many people are coming here on the other main route to entering Ireland \u2013 work permits. This economic migration of workers and their families is likely to account for the bulk of immigration in the years to come.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.ie\/en\/department-of-finance\/campaigns\/future-forty-a-fiscal-and-economic-outlook-to-2065\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.gov.ie\/en\/department-of-finance\/campaigns\/future-forty-a-fiscal-and-economic-outlook-to-2065\/\">A Department of Finance report<\/a>, Future Forty, published this week to look at longer-term trends, says that we will continue to need these immigrants, including from countries outside the EU and UK whose citizens have an automatic right to come here. This is because of our ageing population, which means that after about 2035, so-called natural labour-force growth, which depends on the local population, will turn negative. Even in the shorter term, the report says, inward migration is expected to account for around three-quarters of labour force growth. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">That said, the so-called central forecast does expect net migration \u2013 the excess of immigration over emigration \u2013 to decline substantially, from 59,700 in the year to April 2025 to 41,400 by 2030. On a so-called \u201chigh scenario\u201d, the net figure would remain roughly where it is up to 2030, while on a \u201clow\u201d scenario it would fall below 25,000 by 2030. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Migrants \u2013 including many from outside the EU and UK \u2013 are needed to supply critical skills in areas such as IT, medicine and nursing and construction and also in lower-paid areas such as accommodation. And as Ireland ages, younger immigrants can support the labour force and tax revenues and overall economic productivity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The downside is that inward migration has added to pressure on housing \u2013 Harris said every 10,000 immigrants means demand for about 3,000 more houses as well as social infrastructure such as schools and hospitals. Were the \u201chigh\u201d migration scenario envisaged by the department to transpire, these pressures would grow &#8211; the low scenario would see them ease. But the report\u2019s assessment that housing demand will exceed supply for at least another 15 years shows that this central conundrum is not going away any time soon.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2025\/11\/04\/fintan-otoole-simon-harris-is-deliberately-spreading-disinformation-on-immigration\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Fintan O&#8217;Toole: Simon Harris is deliberately spreading disinformation on immigrationOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">So if the Government really does want to move the dial and reduce economic migration, what can it do?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">1. <b>Try to slow the economy<\/b>: Lower economic growth would slow immigration \u2013 as we have seen in the past, with the collapse after the financial crisis \u2013 though also increase emigration including by Irish people. But achieving this via budget policy, or asking IDA Ireland to attract less investment, is far from straightforward. The more significant impact on growth in the short term is more likely to come from international trends and their impact. But with Ireland at full capacity there are deeper policy questions here. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">2. <b>Cut back on critical skills employment permits<\/b>: These are designed to attract skilled employees in areas where there is a shortage in Ireland. <a href=\"https:\/\/enterprise.gov.ie\/en\/what-we-do\/workplace-and-skills\/employment-permits\/employment-permit-eligibility\/highly-skilled-eligible-occupations-list\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/enterprise.gov.ie\/en\/what-we-do\/workplace-and-skills\/employment-permits\/employment-permit-eligibility\/highly-skilled-eligible-occupations-list\/\">The list<\/a> includes roughly 80 jobs in areas such as IT, nursing and medicine, science, planning, specialist areas of business management and so on. Just more than half of the 38,000 or so employment permits issued in 2024 (including renewals) were in this critical skills area.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">There are various ways to lower this number. Just do it and accept the economic consequences. Or try to train more Irish people to  fill the gaps which, in an era of low unemployment, is difficult. Measures to discourage Irish people with key skills from emigrating \u2013 or to encourage them to return home from abroad \u2013 could also be explored. The housing crisis is an issue here in keeping young people in Ireland.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" class=\"c-image audio_image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754647931518-c07d65db-55b5-463e-ae51-976300c5837e.jpeg\"\/>Will Imagine\u2019s big gamble double its customer base?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The lists of jobs to which these visas apply has been expanded in recent years and consideration is now being given in <a href=\"https:\/\/enterprise.gov.ie\/en\/consultations\/public-consultation-review-of-occupations-lists-for-employment-permits.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/enterprise.gov.ie\/en\/consultations\/public-consultation-review-of-occupations-lists-for-employment-permits.html\">an annual review<\/a> of whether to add \u2013 or subtract \u2013 from the current list. A move to reduce skilled immigration would be a policy U-turn, as the ability to recruit internationally is a key selling point to inward investors and seen as central to our economic model.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Peter Burke, the Minister for Enterprise who is in charge of this, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.oireachtas.ie\/en\/debates\/question\/2024-09-09\/483\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.oireachtas.ie\/en\/debates\/question\/2024-09-09\/483\/\">told the D\u00e1il last September<\/a> that Ireland \u201cis embracing the opportunities inherent in an outward-looking economic migration policy to support enterprise and demand for skills in critically important sectors\u201d. Access to a mobile and highly skilled workforce from outside the European Economic Area \u201ccan serve only to generate economic growth and prosperity\u201d, he said. Will there be a change in tone when this year\u2019s review of permits is published?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">3. <b>Cut back on general work permits<\/b>: These apply to employees not on the critical skills list; there is  a list of occupations to which the permits do not apply, though these have been reduced in recent years as jobs shortages spread. To get a permit, employers must show they cannot source employees in Ireland. These permits are used by employers to fill lower-paid jobs in areas such as accommodation and hospitality, construction and agriculture.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">A decision to offer fewer of these by tightening the criteria \u2013 would reduce immigration, but could also leave employers in these sectors struggling to find staff. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In the UK, prime minister Keir Starmer has said many businesses had become \u201caddicted to importing cheap labour\u201d and following <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/publications\/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/publications\/restoring-control-over-the-immigration-system-white-paper\">a White Paper<\/a> earlier this year his government is taking a range of measures to cut work permit immigration, including demanding higher education levels, cutting qualifying jobs, examining whether industries should be investing more in apprenticeships rather than importing workers, and demanding better standards of English.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Would an Irish government go down a similar route? <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">4.<b> Cut student visas<\/b>: According to the latest figures for the 2022\/23 academic year, there were 35,140 overseas students in the higher education sector and 59,757 in further education, accounting for 14 and 32 per cent of total enrolments respectively. Non-EU nationals make up the majority of these. Many stay temporarily and return home afterwards, and they are vital to the funding of the third level sector. Cutting numbers would require the exchequer to fill the gap. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The Department of Finance report points out that a graduate stay-back scheme which allows highly-skilled graduates to stay and work in Ireland for two years after graduation now accounts for significant numbers. Like the permits for skilled employees, this is designed to attract talented people into the Irish workforce. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">5.<b> Tighten up the rules for families<\/b>: Family members joining those already working here \u2013 and those granted asylum \u2013 are another significant contributor to the immigration figures, and the department report says they will become more important in the years to come and are likely to account for the biggest share of entrant numbers. A recent<a href=\"https:\/\/www.oecd.org\/en\/publications\/2025\/11\/international-migration-outlook-2025_355ae9fd.html\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.oecd.org\/en\/publications\/2025\/11\/international-migration-outlook-2025_355ae9fd.html\"> OECD report on migration<\/a> shows the important of family migration internationally. The UK has also tightened up rules here. Ireland offers rights under various permit schemes for families to join people legally resident here. This is likely to become a focus of debate, given its likely importance in future immigration here. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">6.<b> The debate to come<\/b>: In terms of non-asylum migration, the debate so far has often involved more heat than light. Even from Government there are contrasting signals \u2013 at the same time as calling for less immigration, Harris has conceded that part of the public service would collapse without it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The debate is about two things. First, does Ireland want to retain a generally open approach to work permit immigration, to date a key part of our economic model? And second, wherever you stand on this argument, there is a need to look forensically at the different policy levers for the different types of permits and address the trade-offs involved in change.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Did you notice the Cabinet rift starting to open on immigration? You might have missed it. 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