{"id":167682,"date":"2025-11-07T09:39:08","date_gmt":"2025-11-07T09:39:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/167682\/"},"modified":"2025-11-07T09:39:08","modified_gmt":"2025-11-07T09:39:08","slug":"poppy-rage-appears-to-be-losing-its-poisonous-edge-so-maybe-the-message-is-sinking-in-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/167682\/","title":{"rendered":"Poppy rage appears to be losing its poisonous edge, so maybe the message is sinking in \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">According to Laura Clouting, the first World War curator at the Imperial War Museum in London, there have been paradigm shifts regarding the wearing of the poppy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cIt has now come to symbolise the sacrifice and effort of the armed forces in more recent conflicts,\u201d says Clouting in a video on the museum\u2019s website.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cBut because these more recent conflicts have become more complex and perhaps morally ambiguous . . . the poppy has become a more contentious symbol.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Clouting refers to the red poppy (as opposed to a white poppy used to promote peace) \u201cbeing appropriated by far-right organisations\u201d and notes that those who object \u201csee it as being connected with the actions of Britain\u2019s army, for example in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/northern-ireland\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/northern-ireland\/\">Northern Ireland<\/a>\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Indeed, the kids I grew up with in Northern Ireland \u2013 who in the 1960s and 1970s played on the streets with things they found at home, like their father\u2019s and grandfather\u2019s steel war helmets, old ammunition clips and water flasks \u2013 understand how history and symbolism can break different ways. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The bayonets, the spent .303 cartridges and decommissioned hand grenades knocking about the Falls Road in west <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/belfast\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/belfast\/\">Belfast<\/a> were physical, family connections to loved ones that fought and died in two world wars.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">They were things the kids held in their hands, used as props for games around Rockville Street and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/gaa\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/gaa\/\">GAA<\/a> pitch at the top of the hill, McCrory Park. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">They were real pieces of those wars brought into kitchens and sitting rooms by men who had been scarred and broken after fighting and serving alongside others from the area in British Army uniforms.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The wars weren\u2019t part of some mythological past like those sketched out in the Victor and Hotspur comic books of the time. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">They were alive in the memories of people, along with the ageing bits and pieces of metal; all reminders of a grim past but too precious to throw away.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Time passed and McCrory Park was turned into one of several British Army fortresses, called Fort Pegasus. The GAA pitch became part of a different kind of conflict. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">There was a real army with real helicopters swooping in low over roofs to land as soldiers crouched in gardens watching people go about their business through the telescopes of their rifles.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Then, in the summer of 1971 on the other side of McCrory Park, the First Battalion of the Parachute Regiment killed 11 civilians over three days. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Belfast changed forever. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Many of those kids with the old British army helmets and water flasks are now beyond middle age and \u2013 like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/katie-mccabe\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/katie-mccabe\/\">Katie McCabe<\/a> last week \u2013 are not inclined to wear a poppy. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It appears the Royal British Legion, the people who raise money selling poppies at this time of year, understand why.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cPoppies are worn as a show of support for the Armed Forces community . . . Wearing a poppy is still a very personal choice, reflecting individual experiences and personal memories,\u201d says The Legion.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/arsenal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/arsenal\/\">Arsenal<\/a> and McCabe critics have a different view. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/uk\/2025\/11\/05\/british-media-sees-red-over-irish-poppy-refusniks\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">British media sees red over Irish poppy refuseniksOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Some other Irish players \u2013 Brighton\u2019s Caitlin Hayes and Crystal Palace duo Abbie Larkin and Hayley Nolan \u2013 also went without wearing a poppy last weekend. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">There was the usual huffing and puffing, while the hawkish right vented and condemned. Charmless GB News called it a snub but many of the reports around McCabe were largely fact driven.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The 30-year-old didn\u2019t have to endure the acid rain that has previously poured down on others, such as former Republic of Ireland player James McClean, when he showed up unflowered.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">This week there was a more restrained rage, a less poisonous vitriol \u2013  maybe the wearing, or not wearing, of a poppy is becoming less triggering. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"James McClean, who now plays for Wrexham, has received abuse from UK football fans for his refusal to wear a poppy for Remembrance Day commemorations over the course of several years. Photograph: Molly Darlington\/Getty Images\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/J62Y7HCORFDWJBPWKMSNQG7ALA.jpg\"   width=\"800\" height=\"533\"\/>James McClean, who now plays for Wrexham, has received abuse from UK football fans for his refusal to wear a poppy for Remembrance Day commemorations over the course of several years. Photograph: Molly Darlington\/Getty Images <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Has the life-threatening outrage and widespread contempt McClean suffered blown itself out? Are people beginning to listen to what the Imperial War Museum has to say?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">It is not only Irish players who have declined to wear a poppy. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In 2018, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/manchester-united\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/manchester-united\/\">Manchester United<\/a>\u2019s Serbian midfielder Nemanja Matic said he would not wear the flower for his club\u2019s derby match against Manchester City, which was taking place on Remembrance Sunday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cI do not want to undermine the poppy as a symbol of pride within Britain or offend anyone. However, we are all a product of our own upbringing and this is a personal choice,\u201d said Matic, whose village, Vrelo, was bombed by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/north-atlantic-treaty-organisation-nato\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/north-atlantic-treaty-organisation-nato\/\">Nato<\/a> when he was 12.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">How many civilians were killed in the Nato attacks is disputed, with estimates running from over 500 into the thousands. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The 11-week campaign in 1999 was to put pressure on Yugoslav President Slobodan Milo\u0161evi\u0107 to withdraw troops from Kosovo. All academic to a child taking shelter from the bombardment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">During the attack, the Royal Air Force were involved, while the British Army played a supporting role.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">McCabe has not publicly explained why she didn\u2019t wear the poppy, nor should she have to. But the incident has at least helped show that soccer can abide a grudging tolerance of a different viewpoint. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">As an elite <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/lgbtq\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/lgbtq\/\">LGBTQ+<\/a> athlete, she has taken the slings and arrows before, and there will always be some who seize on cultural differences for insult and grievance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">But playing in an Arsenal jersey without the poppy last week was neither disrespectful nor unprincipled. Take it from the British Legion and the Imperial War Museum.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"According to Laura Clouting, the first World War curator at the Imperial War Museum in London, there have&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":167683,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[9,10,96309,13,14,6,11,12,15,16,24696,5,7,8,65,66,67],"class_list":{"0":"post-167682","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-world","8":"tag-breaking-news","9":"tag-breakingnews","10":"tag-eric-luke","11":"tag-featured-news","12":"tag-featurednews","13":"tag-headlines","14":"tag-latest-news","15":"tag-latestnews","16":"tag-main-news","17":"tag-mainnews","18":"tag-mam","19":"tag-news","20":"tag-top-stories","21":"tag-topstories","22":"tag-world","23":"tag-world-news","24":"tag-worldnews"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/167682","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=167682"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/167682\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/167683"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=167682"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=167682"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=167682"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}