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<\/a><\/p>\nAlison: Yes, hi, I\u2019m Alison Goldingay. I am a quantum researcher at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. It\u2019s really exciting. I get to be in the lab quite a bit. What we\u2019re doing is working on photonic control. We\u2019re working on the creation and detection of single photons. I can tell you more about that, but we\u2019re very excited about it and the future and how we could use it for a whole variety of quantum applications.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Wonderful. And Biliana, who are you and what do you do?<\/p>\n
Biliana:Yes, hi, I\u2019m Biliana Rajevic. I wear a few hats. In my day job, I work at Quantum Brilliance, and we are a leading quantum diamond technology company developing hardware, software, and diamond materials. My role here, when I first started two and a half years ago, was leading strategy, and I\u2019ve since shifted into leading external communications. And then, with my other hat, in my spare time, I am a co\u2011founder of a charity called Quantum Women, with our goal to really help elevate and promote women who are working in quantum.<\/p>\n
Yuval: And Rachel, how about you? Who are you and what do you do?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Hi, I am Rachel Rayner. I\u2019m a communications expert specializing in presentation and performance for TV, video, radio, and stage, because each medium is slightly different. I really enjoy those differences and helping people tell their stories and shape what they want to say to each medium. Like Biliana, I have a few hats. I\u2019ve been touring the country for a while, doing quantum comedies on stage in arts festivals and things. I also do PR and marketing as well within a company. So there\u2019s quite a few things, but yeah, I think communications expert sort of sums up what I do.<\/p>\n
Yuval: And I think in the context of this call, you\u2019re also a coach in a program. Could you tell me a little bit about the program\u2014what the goals are and who the participants are?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Yeah, exactly. It\u2019s an incredible program. There\u2019s a pool of us coaches and mentors. It was part of an application process to apply to be a coach in the program, so we had to show we had proper credentials. The program is really focusing on communication and helping people within the quantum industry\u2014helping women within the quantum industry\u2014elevate their voice. I love a program name that tells you exactly what it is right off the bat. And yeah, it\u2019s about getting women who are working in quantum, just like Alison, and making sure they\u2019ve got the tools to be in a room and be heard and be on the stages, be on TV\u2014really talking about the work they\u2019re doing, the work their companies are doing, and being a visible presence in the quantum industry. I really think this program is a great step on that path to getting more women in quantum visible everywhere.<\/p>\n
Yuval: What\u2019s quantum about it? I mean, other than people in quantum, isn\u2019t that a skill set that\u2019s probably required in many other industries?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Yeah, absolutely, but I think\u2014 and I know Biliana can answer this better\u2014 it\u2019s an opportunity to connect with this industry. It\u2019s a really new industry, so it\u2019s a chance to do diversity and equality right from the beginning in ways that we missed in physics back in the 1920s, that sort of thing. You know, we didn\u2019t have a lot of women there. We\u2019re at this frontier of quantum engineering, quantum science, quantum physics in a new way. So let\u2019s ensure that the women coming through do have the skills to be visible from the beginning. I think that\u2019s how I read it. But Alison, do you have another take on that?<\/p>\n
Alison: Yeah, absolutely. I think communication is so important, no matter what industry you\u2019re in. But I do find it to be particularly challenging being a researcher, and particularly in the field of quantum, because\u2014as we just experienced\u2014when people ask you what you do, it can be difficult to explain that coming from a quantum background. To be able to be taught how to communicate well is really important. It\u2019s really great to have the opportunity to learn how to distill complicated concepts down to simple ideas that people can understand, and that is critical in order to show people how quantum will be useful for them in the future. Otherwise, people will think, \u201cWell, that\u2019s really interesting, but I don\u2019t get it,\u201d so it\u2019s on us, partially, to make sure that people can understand.<\/p>\n
Yuval: So, Alison, now that you\u2019re close to the end of the program, what have you learned? If there was one thing that you know now that you didn\u2019t know six or eight weeks ago, what would that be?<\/p>\n
Alison: The key thing I\u2019ve learned is how important it is to personalize everything that you are doing in the communication space. I always knew that it\u2019s important to look up who your audience is\u2014to understand what they know\u2014and tailor your communication accordingly. But the extra mile that I\u2019ve learned about here is to think about what your audience actually needs, and to not just assume that they are happy to sit there and learn, but to think about what they actually need and how my presentation can answer that need.<\/p>\n
Yuval: And Rachel, tell me a little bit about the syllabus. I mean, how do you start? How do you continue? How many people are in the programme, by the way?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Oh, that\u2019s a good question. I should know how many people are in the program. I want to say there\u2019s maybe 60 of us.We have Arabella McPherson, who does this wonderful program on presenting with influence and impact. That\u2019s the major kind of step in this program, and that\u2019s every fortnight. Then, in the in\u2011between weeks, we get together in smaller groups and tailor what we\u2019ve learned in those bigger sessions to these smaller groups and to everyone\u2019s individual goals. It\u2019s a great opportunity to explore the themes, explore the exercises that were done in the bigger class, and then really hone in: Which bits did we want more practice with? Which do we really want to pull out? Which ones didn\u2019t quite fit with what I\u2019m hoping to get out of the course? So we tailor and shape that and look at it and say, \u201cWell, this is your goal, and this is what we were learning here\u2014actually, you can use it in this way to get there.\u201d It\u2019s really fluid. It\u2019s really personalized from that structure of having those coaches with the smaller sessions. The curriculum is really just all these different steps in communicating that I think, as a communications professional, you tend to take for granted. It\u2019s nice to have this group and be reminded that this isn\u2019t something everybody knows. It\u2019s exactly the same for the researchers. You\u2019re in this field; you assume everyone knows exactly what you mean when you say \u201cquantum spin,\u201d and it\u2019s not the case. Sometimes I find myself doing it too, but in the communications space. So it\u2019s been really nice to meet together and explore all these things.<\/p>\n
Yuval: It is true that \u201cspin\u201d in the communication space means something completely different.<\/p>\n
Rachel:Very different. Very different.<\/p>\n
Yuval: And Alison, I\u2019m guessing you had to do a stand\u2011up in front of 60 other people and present, and so on. Is there a lot of hands\u2011on training this way?<\/p>\n
Alison: Yes. Well, that\u2019s the event that\u2019s happening tonight in just a few hours\u2019 time. We have an opportunity to put everything we\u2019ve learned together and go up on stage. We\u2019re going to be doing some panel events, talking about different topics that are important to us and, in the meantime, practicing how to communicate. One thing I think we\u2019ll see a lot of tonight is storytelling\u2014I\u2019m hoping\u2014since that was one of the key messages from the course. Hopefully we can connect over that and realize that there is a place for storytelling, even in something so complex. Such a complex field as quantum still requires a human aspect, so that\u2019s what we\u2019ll be doing tonight.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Rachel, I may have misheard you, but I think you said \u201cquantum comedy\u201d earlier. Could you explain what quantum comedy is, or give us an example?\u00a0<\/p>\n
Rachel:I use the term \u201cquantum comedy\u201d because\u2014to quote a line from Ant\u2011Man\u2014do you just put the word \u201cquantum\u201d in front of it and it sounds cooler? Yes. But I had quite a few of the participants in this course come and watch it. They were like, \u201cOh, atoms and the Standard Model\u2014haven\u2019t thought about that for ages.\u201d So now I\u2019m going, maybe it\u2019s not as quantum as I thought it was. I do these series of one\u2011hour, one\u2011woman shows that I take around to arts festivals where the first one was about the photon and exploring light and how we interact with light. So it\u2019s really how we\u2019re interacting with the quantum world on a day\u2011to\u2011day basis. The newest show is about the atom and building a Standard Model\u2014so you can build an atom from scratch\u2014and what that means for our experiences of the world. I try to do it in a funny way. I try to do it in an artistic way. My aim was to show artists that you can draw so much inspiration from science, but it seems what I have done is brought scientists to art festivals, and that as well I\u2019m very happy with.<\/p>\n
Alison: I\u2019ve attended Rachel\u2019s comedy shows, and I do think they\u2019re so funny. If you don\u2019t mind, Rachel, I\u2019d love to share one of your jokes, which is the concept of a woman scientist and a male scientist. So just to recap what that means: We have, throughout history, talked about \u201cfemale scientists.\u201d The fact that they\u2019re female means that they have to be called a \u201cfemale scientist.\u201d But in Rachel\u2019s show, she mentions all kinds of male scientists and \u201cscientists.\u201d I just love that\u2014to flip that idea and to empower women to see that not only can they do quantum, they can do comedy, and they can even do quantum comedy. So I highly recommend her shows. They\u2019re fantastic. Thank you.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Absolutely. And Biliana, how did this program come together? What was the inspiration, and how long did it take to put it together?<\/p>\n
Biliana:It\u2019s actually something that started five or six years ago for women who work in finance, to be honest. It was somebody here in Australia who was very keen to increase the representation of women on panels, at conferences, and also increase the engagement and representation of women overall in the alternative investments industry. He went out and started to invite these women to panels, and a lot of them would say no. This was a head\u2011scratcher for him\u2014like, this doesn\u2019t quite compute. So he and a few others started speaking with women to figure out what the barriers are, even when you\u2019re given the opportunity and tapped on the shoulder. There were things like, \u201cI don\u2019t think anybody wants to hear me,\u201d \u201cThis is just not what I do,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t feel comfortable,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t think I have anything to say.\u201d They set out to change that and developed this program with a C\u2011suite communications expert, and the way it\u2019s structured has been very deliberate. For example, there are four group training sessions, and in between those are four coaching sessions, and at the bookends there is a launch event and a closing event. Each coaching session is specifically crafted. It\u2019s small teams\u2014we have about five participants\u2014and there are also two coaches. That\u2019s deliberate so that there isn\u2019t a mentor\u2011mentee kind of relationship, but rather a friendly and collegiate atmosphere. It\u2019s also so coaches aren\u2019t the only people with the \u201cauthority,\u201d but have an equal, push\u2011and\u2011pull kind of environment. In each of the sessions, different topics are discussed. One is about how you feel prepared\u2014which is quite interesting, because about 80% of the participants said that they are good at preparing a presentation, and then after the first training session it became obvious that \u201cpreparing\u201d is something different. It\u2019s not just about your slides and what you\u2019re going to say, but actually researching your audience so you can have power and influence. Other sessions are around anticipating difficult questions, how to do storytelling and engage with your audience, and how to manage your nerves and create confidence in yourself. It\u2019s been a very deliberate structure. When I saw that for the women in finance, I said we need to take this to the women working in quantum with slight tweaks. Quantum Australia, which was about to be formed at the time\u2014about a year, year and a half ago\u2014became a natural partner for us to jointly deliver this program. The initial, unofficial feedback has been great, and that\u2019s why it\u2019s great to bring Alison and Rachel here rather than me telling you how great I think it is. These are the women who have participated both as participants and coaches in it.<\/p>\n
Yuval: I had the pleasure of interviewing Michelle Simmons on this podcast. I know Catherine Foley is also from Australia. I haven\u2019t had her yet, I guess, but hope springs eternal. Do you think the situation in Australia is any different than in, say, the UK or the US? Or do you think this kind of program should be exported, so to speak, to other countries?<\/p>\n
Biliana:I think it absolutely should be exported, and we have started talking to some entities in Europe. This is a rather large production, to be honest, because it\u2019s not just about finding the participants and the coaches and delivering the program that already exists. A big part of how this is delivered is that the group training sessions take place at other corporations, because this is not something that we should do in silos\u2014we need buy\u2011in from various industries and partners. Our launch happened at KPMG\u2019s offices. Our closing is going to be at AWS. In between, we\u2019ve had DIRAQ, Quantum Brilliance, Jones Day, Gilbert and Tobin\u2014two law offices\u2014and the Semiconductor Sector Service Bureau host these sessions and have senior people from those organizations see and partake in this. We are definitely starting to think about how to export it. A big part of the program is happening in person, so we are going to have to think about how to incorporate some virtual elements, because otherwise logistically it might be very difficult to manage. But it is the same everywhere. It is the same in many other industries, too. Especially in quantum, the absolute number\u2014the pool of women\u2014is not that big. We have to make sure that we incorporate everyone\u2019s viewpoint as this industry is being developed. Especially on the scientist side, these are women who are super passionate about what they\u2019re doing. It would be such a shame to have them self\u2011select out at any point of their careers. Some reasons might be valid, which is fine, but if there are reasons we could have helped mitigate or challenges we could have helped remove, I think we all should try to do that.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Rachel, Biliana mentioned Zoom. As a communication expert, is there a difference in preparing for a face\u2011to\u2011face meeting versus a Zoom meeting, and is that covered in the course?<\/p>\n
Rachel:No, we don\u2019t go into that sort of granular detail. I think the course is good in that foundation stuff of, like, \u201cThis is my voice, and I\u2019m going to elevate my voice. I\u2019m going to empower my voice.\u201d We haven\u2019t had anyone in our smaller groups talk about those sorts of differences, but there are differences. Then there are the things that are similar across both\u2014the knowing your audience (so important!), knowing who you\u2019re talking to\u2014that is the same everywhere. Making sure that you\u2019re looking after your voice so that you\u2019re speaking well, and managing nerves\u2014those are going to be the same across all these things. It\u2019s not just for the stage. Meeting someone in person in a meeting room\u2014it\u2019s still really important that you know who you\u2019re talking to, you\u2019re managing your nerves in some way, and you\u2019re prepared.\u00a0<\/p>\n
What I would say if you were interested in the difference between meeting someone in person and meeting on Zoom: there\u2019s a lot more body language when you\u2019re in person, and most of our communication is through body language. We did that in the course\u2014so much is in body language. It\u2019s how you\u2019re standing; it\u2019s how you\u2019re posing. We did some good posture exercises the other day, which I think are great. You\u2019ve got to think of your whole presence. You want to get to a point where you\u2019re not consciously thinking about it\u2014that it just becomes second nature\u2014and that\u2019s just practice. But when you\u2019re on a Zoom, you\u2019re in this box. You\u2019re in this box. It\u2019s about coming through in that box. It\u2019s about looking down the camera, because if you\u2019re looking down the camera, you\u2019re making eye contact. Being comfortable with that difference\u2014the artificialness of looking down the camera so that you\u2019re making eye contact with the person you\u2019re talking to\u2014it\u2019s much less natural than meeting someone in person. So there are things to practice so you\u2019re still very natural. There\u2019s also the question of what to do with your hands. When you\u2019re in person, you\u2019ve got a lot more space for your hands. I\u2019m breaking all the video\u2011conference rules now by moving my hands too much so that they\u2019re popping in and out of frame\u2014and that\u2019s so distracting. So there are all these things to think about in the different mediums.<\/p>\n
Biliana:And I also think\u2014something I was told a few years ago\u2014is to not just rely on your computer camera when you\u2019re talking on Zoom. I went and got another camera that I hook up, and those are the details you don\u2019t necessarily think too much about, or sometimes you just let slide. You keep saying, \u201cOh look, it\u2019s an internal work call,\u201d and whatnot, but it\u2019s really important to think about how you present yourself every time you go on a Zoom call. Like I said, there are a lot of other things that you lack\u2014you can\u2019t look another person in the eye and other things like that. So how do we make sure you show up polished on a Zoom call?<\/p>\n
Rachel:And that the camera angle isn\u2019t up your nose.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Alison, now that you\u2019re almost graduated from this course, let\u2019s assume you\u2019re at a cocktail party with non\u2011quantum people. For quantum people, if you say, \u201cOh, I work on single\u2011photon detectors,\u201d most of them would understand, I think. But for intelligent non\u2011quantum people, how do you explain what it is that you do?<\/p>\n
Alison: I like to call it my quantum camera, because that is what it is, but on a very minute scale. I think people can understand something relevant to their everyday life. So if I say I\u2019m making this camera that can detect really, really tiny pieces of light, they get it a lot more than if I spend 10 minutes trying to explain what a photon is and go on a nerdy side tangent so they can understand the technical part of it. It also brings in the element of excitement for the future. I find people are straight away wanting to know about the applications. If you say, \u201cI work on cameras that are going to be useful for a whole bunch of different things,\u201d people can believe that\u2014since cameras are so useful for us for a whole bunch of different things right now.<\/p>\n
Biliana:Let me add\u2014that\u2019s an interesting point you make\u2014because Arabella, who is delivering this program, actually gave everybody a challenge. She has no quantum experience. I think she used to be an opera singer and an actress. She told everybody that they should send in a 60\u2011second max video of what it is that they do in a way that she will understand. I was speaking to somebody else just last night who\u2019s taken up that challenge, and her first take was three minutes. So you start off there, and then you have to start thinking about how to make it shorter and shorter, but still stay true to what you\u2019re doing. It\u2019s quite a challenge. She got it to, I think, 62 seconds. But it does take time to really think about how to explain to the non\u2011quantums in a way that\u2019s accurate, that you\u2019re not compromising what you do, but also in a way that gets them hooked on what you do and makes them more curious.<\/p>\n
Alison: I find that people are much more interested in the \u201cwhy\u201d rather than the \u201chow\u201d or the \u201cwhat.\u201d We spend our lives in the how and the what, but \u201cwhy\u201d is actually the question they want answered. I took up this challenge as well, and I enjoyed trying to think about how to explain all this. I wasn\u2019t sure if I should even use the word \u201cphoton\u201d\u2014how do you explain a single\u2011photon emitter without the word \u201cphoton\u201d? I turned to storytelling, which is another skill that Arabella has been teaching us, to paint a story for a character\u2014how this is going to be useful to them. My story was about data security. In Australia we had a significant data\u2011security breach that one company\u2014maybe I shouldn\u2019t mention\u2014experienced in 2022, which affected one third of Australians. Most people can relate to that because they either had their data hacked or knew someone who did. Putting it in a personal realm where people can relate is another great skill that Arabella has been teaching us. The problem is that telling the story takes half of the minute, so you\u2019re only left with 30 seconds to explain why I\u2019m telling you this story\u2014but it was a good challenge.<\/p>\n
Rachel:And I\u2019m going to jump in quickly because Alison jumped in about my comedy. I know Alison has also been practicing comedy on the stage\u2014trying to turn the work that she does into comedy\u2014and I\u2019ve seen it, and it was fantastic. It was fantastic. Thanks.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Quantum Brilliance\u2014and I think I had Andrea Tabacini on this program to talk about Quantum Brilliance\u2014but let\u2019s see you practice what you preach. Explain to us, in 60 seconds, what it is that you do.<\/p>\n
Biliana:Sixty seconds\u2014so we\u2019ll see if we end up putting this live, but this is how I have explained some things to non\u2011quantums, and they have appreciated it. We basically receive a synthetic diamond from a synthetic\u2011diamond supplier, and we need to prepare that diamond to fit into our solutions that we\u2019re developing for areas such as quantum computing or quantum sensing. But when we receive that diamond, it\u2019s not at the quality that\u2019s needed for these applications. Our scientists prepare it in various different ways. Then they start implanting the qubits inside the diamond. They then overgrow it with another piece of diamond and, because of diamond\u2019s properties, once you overgrow it and encase it in diamond, it can operate at room temperature. It forms part of a diamond chip, and that diamond chip then goes into a quantum computer, or it can go into a quantum sensor. I might have to send you a recording of a much more polished version so I don\u2019t upset people here. I usually say, \u201cThe diamond is not up to snuff, and we start preparing it.\u201d<\/p>\n
Alison: I love the visual\u2014you can picture it as you talk about it.<\/p>\n
Biliana:I usually do that\u2014then encasing\u2014and then it\u2019s a diamond chip.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Yeah, I mean, diamond computers are a girl\u2019s best friend, right? That\u2019s been well known for many years.<\/p>\n
Biliana:If we go back a little bit, I want to mention\u2014when we were talking about the program\u2014that we have 26 women going through the program right now and 10 coaches. It\u2019s also important to mention that these are not just scientists. The quantum industry needs a lot more people with different skill sets. We have people who work at quantum companies who are in operations, in design, in other areas, and in finance. They\u2019re also taking part in this, but the commonality is that they\u2019re either working in quantum or being touched by quantum.<\/p>\n
Yuval: You know, there\u2019s a saying that goes something like, \u201cI learned a lot from my teachers, but also from my students.\u201d I\u2019m curious for Rachel, as a coach here\u2014we earlier heard what Alison learned in the course\u2014but Rachel, have you learned anything from the participants while coaching in this course?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Yeah, exactly\u2014sorry\u2014yes, I absolutely have. And I wouldn\u2019t say I\u2019m instructing in this course; I\u2019d say I\u2019m there as a coach and mentor in the communications space, to help everyone talk about what they\u2019re doing, to target messages, and facilitate conversation. I definitely don\u2019t feel like I\u2019m instructing. I don\u2019t want to be instructing. It really is that group thing where we\u2019re learning from each other. I have learned a lot. I\u2019m so excited about what\u2019s happening in quantum in Australia right now. I wasn\u2019t fully aware of it. I knew there was a lot happening, but now, meeting the people on the forefront of this, is really great. I\u2019m definitely learning a lot more about our domestic capabilities in quantum\u2014how talented the people are coming through. And I\u2019m learning more things about communication as well. There\u2019s always more to learn, even if you\u2019ve spent your life in a field. There are great refreshers. I\u2019m really enjoying that, too. It\u2019s been fabulous. I can\u2019t speak highly enough of Biliana and the team in putting this together. It\u2019s really amazing. I think I\u2019m learning from people, and the best way to coach and mentor is to really listen, right? I\u2019m getting a chance to listen to all these wonderful people talk about their stories and their work, and I\u2019m just so inspired. I am really, really inspired.<\/p>\n
Biliana:And there have been changes. You can see slight changes in people throughout this program as well, because our goal after this is to find ways to proactively help these women put their theory into practice and start creating a greater pool of people who can participate at conferences. It is great to see current senior women at panels and events, but they can\u2019t split themselves five different ways. We need to create a greater pool so that there can be many more voices showing up at more events.<\/p>\n
Rachel:Yeah, and I\u2019m finding myself looking for opportunities to get people to practice what they\u2019ve been learning as well. One of the organizations I work with has weekly lunch\u2011and\u2011learn sessions. I can organize for some of the people in the courses to come in and present. I\u2019m finding all these spaces for people to practice. I love creating opportunities for people, and it\u2019s nice to have that vision on at the moment and be looking for those opportunities.<\/p>\n
Yuval: As we get to the end of our conversation today, I wanted to ask each of you the same hypothetical. If you could have dinner with one of the quantum greats, dead or alive, who would that person be? Maybe Biliana first, then Rachel, and then Alison.<\/p>\n
Biliana:I don\u2019t think I know all the quantum greats, but I think I would actually have\u2014 and I\u2019ve met him in the past\u2014 dinner with John Martinis, because I think now, with the Nobel Prize, he could probably\u2014 he is in the quantum greats category. The reason is I\u2019m curious to have a conversation about what\u2019s next\u2014not just what\u2019s been\u2014but what\u2019s coming now, given all the developments that have happened around the science and the technology over the past three, four, five years. I\u2019d be curious to understand his perspective on where we are heading.<\/p>\n
Yuval: And Rachel?<\/p>\n
Rachel:Mine would be Margrethe Bohr, Niels Bohr\u2019s wife. I think she would be really interesting because it sounds like, by all accounts, they wrote all his papers together, and she really helped him craft his message and explain what he wanted to do. I would love to talk to her and say, \u201cOh my gosh, what was his first attempt like?\u201d It sounds like she really helped him craft these big ideas that he was thinking about so they could actually get out into the world and be shared and catch on, and I think her work is so important to his story. I would love to hear all about building those theories and writing them out in a way that could reach a bigger audience.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Alison?<\/p>\n
Alison: Yeah\u2014I have a small comment first, which is I\u2019ve heard the same of Einstein\u2019s wife, and I haven\u2019t fact\u2011checked this, but I think it would be so interesting to talk with her. But if I had only one, then I would choose Marie Curie. I know that she\u2019s quite famous and probably a common answer to that question. But I do think of that photo from the Solvay Conference where it\u2019s all the male scientists and her. I\u2019m inspired to see her there in that photo, and I\u2019d love to ask her what it was like to hold her own in that space. What a way to show that women can do it all\u2014to win not just one but two Nobel Prizes. I\u2019d love to hear how she reflected on her Nobel Prize when she had won, and then if anything changed when the second came about, because I think that\u2019s so inspiring. To learn from her about how she balanced her life and her work would be quite an inspiring conversation.<\/p>\n
Yuval: Alison, Rachel, Biliana, thank you so much for joining me today.<\/p>\n
Alison: Thank you so much for having me.<\/p>\n
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