{"id":460474,"date":"2026-04-29T23:32:12","date_gmt":"2026-04-29T23:32:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/460474\/"},"modified":"2026-04-29T23:32:12","modified_gmt":"2026-04-29T23:32:12","slug":"the-testaments-brutal-aunt-lydia-backstory-ann-dowd-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/460474\/","title":{"rendered":"‘The Testaments’ Brutal Aunt Lydia Backstory: Ann Dowd Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"

\n\t[This story contains spoilers from the sixth episode of The Testaments<\/a>, \u201cStadium.\u201d]<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tThe Testaments has delivered another Aunt Lydia backstory and halfway through the revelatory episode, The Handmaid\u2019s Tale<\/a> sequel series revealed the key to understanding the mystifying franchise character played by Ann Dowd<\/a>. The moment comes in a scene between a pre-Gilead Lydia amid the totalitarian takeover and one of the men, Commander Judd (Charlie Carrick), who becomes a high-ranking leader in the fictional fascist government.<\/p>\n

\n\tIn the flashback scene, Lydia offers herself up as an asset to Commander Judd by asking that he toss aside her history \u2014 which includes that she is unmarried and had an abortion, a \u201cform of person murder\u201d now punishably by death, even retroactively,\u201d says Judd \u2014 and elevate her as the head Aunt that she becomes in The Handmaid\u2019s Tale, vowing to enforce Gilead\u2019s religious views and train young women on how to become handmaids to bear children for infertile Gilead wives. The scene brings to life the major abortion secret that was revealed in Margaret Atwood<\/a>\u2018s sequel novel of the same name, on which the show is based<\/a>; Dowd says below that she learned about the abortion when reading the sequel novel, back when she was still filming The Handmaid\u2019s Tale.<\/p>\n

\n\tThen, in the most shocking moment in the flashback, Lydia agrees to kill her former colleague to prove her Gilead allegiance. Judd was only testing her \u2014 she pulls the trigger, and it\u2019s a blank. But that colleague becomes her fellow Aunt Vidala (played by Mabel Li), and Vidala carries the trauma and resentment from that day throughout The Testaments.<\/p>\n

\n\tIt\u2019s a monstrous moment, but it\u2019s all explained by a key voiceover from Lydia during that scene between her and Judd when she says: \u201cSurviving these men requires patience, and allies wherever you can find them.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tViewers see at the end of this sixth episode that the voiceover comes from Lydia\u2019s journals \u2014 her \u201ctestament\u201d in this story. After vowing to be an ally of June\u2019s (Elisabeth Moss<\/a>) Mayday resistance movement at the end of The Handmaid\u2019s Tale<\/a>, Lydia has been secretly recording her thoughts and working behind the scenes in her allyship in The Testaments. How exactly? Viewers and even Dowd herself don\u2019t have that full picture just yet.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cWe\u2019re talking about survival, and what Lydia does to survive,\u201d says Dowd of what we learn in her backstory episode. \u201cShe makes the decision at the cost of maybe ending her colleague\u2019s life. We learn a lot about Lydia. Not only is she going to be alive \u2014 she\u2019s not going to be Aunt No. 6. She\u2019s going to be Aunt No. 1, and she will find a way to do that.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tBelow, Dowd and Li spoke to The Hollywood Reporter about the flashback and what it reveals about their present-day Aunt-ship. Also during this episode, the two Aunts referenced main protagonist Agnes (Chase Infiniti<\/a>) and the fact that her mother is June (Moss)<\/a>. The women don\u2019t say June by name, but they reference Agnes\u2019 mother as being \u201cnot just any handmaid.\u201d Dowd and Li also weigh in on the subtext in that moment below, and if it means Lydia and June could be in Mayday cahoots. <\/p>\n

\n\t***<\/p>\n

\n\tMabel, did you chemistry read with Ann for the role of Aunt Vidala?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tMABEL LI <\/strong>No. That would have been fun \u2014 and intimidating, because I\u2019m a fan of Ann\u2019s. I kind of wish I did.<\/p>\n

\n\tWhen you were cast, had you read The Testaments and were you familiar with your character from the book?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> I hadn\u2019t read The Testaments yet when I got the part. I\u2019d read The Handmaid\u2019s Tale and was a fan of the show. But when I got the part, I read it immediately. It was such a great read. It was so useful and I soaked everything up, but then I also had to put it down and be like, \u201cOK, I need to find her myself now.\u201d Because in the book, Vidala is so filtered through other people\u2019s perspectives. and so biased.<\/p>\n

\n\tAnn, did you read the book before? As in, did you know that you were going to do The Testaments?<\/p>\n

\n\tANN<\/strong> DOWD<\/strong> Yes, I had a little inkling it was going to happen. [Writer\u2019s note: Dowd revealed when Atwood told her about the sequel in THR\u2019s Handmaid\u2019s Tale oral history<\/a>.]<\/p>\n

\n\tAnn, I was going to ask you when you first read The Testaments.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> We did the audio [for the book] quickly, so I read the book, of course, first.<\/p>\n

\n\tWhat season of filming The Handmaid\u2019s Tale was that?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Closer to the end. Maybe I knew beforehand. I was given little tips. Not exactly what it would be like, but, yes [that it was happening].<\/p>\n

\n\tI know you were thrilled by Lydia\u2019s backstory in The Handmaid\u2019s Tale. So when you found out that you would get another backstory in this sequel series, what excited you most and what did you learn about her this time?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I was incredibly excited to do it. Because when you get down to it, what are we talking about here? We\u2019re talking about survival, and what Lydia does to survive. She <\/strong>makes the decision at the cost of maybe ending her colleague\u2019s life. We learn a lot about Lydia. Not only is she going to be alive \u2014 she\u2019s not going to be Aunt No. 6. She\u2019s going to be Aunt No. 1, and she will find a way to do that. We learn a lot about her character and her courage, so to speak. You might call it something else, but we see those parts of her very, very quickly.<\/p>\n

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\t\t\t\t\tLydia (Ann Dowd) is forced to shoot her teacher coworker (played by Mabel Li) when Gilead takes over. Lydia pulls the trigger, but Commander Judd was only testing her and the gun was filled with blanks.<\/p>\n

\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDisney\/Russ Martin<\/p>\n

\n\tHow surprised were both of you when you saw that Lydia actually did pull the trigger and intended to kill Vidala for, as you say, her own survival?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Yes, yes. I could bring myself to finally do it. But it was very, very difficult. Just imagine being responsible for the life of someone else? Not just some stranger, but your colleague and friend. Oh, brutal. Absolutely brutal.<\/p>\n

\n\tLI <\/strong>In the moment, it was shocking every time. Every time we did a take \u2014\u00a0and you do many, many takes \u2014 the shock never dissipated. It\u2019s a huge thing to be prepared to kill your friend.<\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> And how would you feel being in your position? You never said a word to me.<\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> The resentment, the trauma. It\u2019s so useful, because it does permeate our relationship in such a deep way in the whole show.<\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> It\u2019s always there.<\/p>\n

\n\tIt sets you two up as antagonists, but we didn\u2019t understand why for the first half of the show until now. What was that like to play out?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> It\u2019s tough because Ann is really warm and cheeky. She is the cheekiest gal on set. And then I have to go to resenting her and knowing this was the person who almost killed my character. It\u2019s hard, because you\u2019re so warm!<\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Well, I will work on that. I\u2019ll get that under control. No worries!<\/p>\n

\n\tWe\u2019re seeing this new alliance forming now between Aunt Vidala and Judd in present day. Would you say that Vidala has been playing a long game? Did this opportunity just present itself, or do you think she was always looking to take Lydia down?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> I think that subconsciously, because of the root of the trauma, she\u2019s always wanted to get rid of Lydia. And I think when Commander Judd opens that door a crack, it awakens something in her. It probably reawakens the deep anger and betrayal. But it\u2019s interesting because Vidala is still an Aunt and a woman in this world. She is still at the mercy of other people opening doors for her to be able to succeed and keep rising. She\u2019s balancing a delicate power structure.<\/p>\n

\n\tA major reveal in this backstory is that Aunt Lydia had an abortion when she was younger. When you read that in The Testament\u2019s book, and you were still making The Handmaid\u2019s Tale, did that influence how you were playing her?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I think she buried so much \u2014\u00a0when you make a decision just to survive, and whatever that\u2019s going to take and what is in your past \u2014 you focus on the present so fiercely just to make sure you have a place in this world and it\u2019s something you can live with. So I\u2019m not sure. It\u2019s interesting. I think she put that behind her as a mistake she made in her youth. Having sex and it not being protected, what was that all about? I don\u2019t know that she carries it in a meaningful way through The Testaments.<\/p>\n

\n\tIf you are a viewer new to this world, who hasn\u2019t seen The Handmaid\u2019s Tale or read the books, you may not know Lydia\u2019s real intentions<\/a> until this episode, when you see that she\u2019s writing and you\u2019re starting to understand that she is working to do good on the side. Did you talk with creator Bruce Miller<\/a> about that slow reveal?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I didn\u2019t ask, and I love coming up with my own version of what the heck she\u2019s been up to. That\u2019s one of the changes she made when Handmaid\u2019s ended and The Testaments began. She\u2019s always paying attention. Always being alert. Nothing is getting by her. And when she takes her moments to secretly write [her thoughts] clear as a bell, she protects them and puts them away with the idea that, \u201cI have time, and I can do whatever I need and want to do.\u201d That gives me goosebumps to think of her in that position. It really does.<\/p>\n

\t\t\t\t\t\t\"\"<\/p>\n

\t\t\t\t\tMabel Li as Aunt Vidala in present day in The Testaments, here arriving to begin the process of matching Agnes (June\u2019s daughter, played by Chase Infiniti) with a Commander husband.<\/p>\n

\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDisney\/Steve Wilkie<\/p>\n

\n\tA very big question going into this show was if June would appear, and we found out that she does.<\/strong> Elisabeth Moss reprised the character<\/a> in earlier episodes and returns later in the season.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that something?<\/p>\n

\n\tWhen you found out that Lizzie (Moss) would be back on screen, in addition to being an executive producer, how did you react? And did that excite you for the idea that June and Lydia could be scheming together?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Anything with Lizzie makes me deeply, deeply happy. I love that woman. She\u2019s extraordinary. Directing us [in Handmaid\u2019s], she was phenomenal. She knows everything about it, and just the notion of connecting in The Testaments is so wonderful. I don\u2019t know how it will play out and when it will play out, but boy, will it be wonderful? I\u2019m excited.<\/p>\n

\n\tAlso in this episode, the two of you acknowledge that Agnes has a very important mother. You don\u2019t say June\u2019s name, but you say Agnes\u2019 mother was a handmaid. This was another big question going into the sequel series. Of course, Lydia has access to the bloodlines, so she must know who Agnes is. But I don\u2019t see her treating Agnes differently. Can you talk about the conversations you had with Bruce and what you want us to think about what Lydia knows or feels toward Agnes?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I didn\u2019t get a definite answer on that, which I find very interesting also, and being patient \u2014 it will come when it comes. I think she does have a special feeling for Agnes. Trying not to overshow it, but to keep her eye on Agnes and what\u2019s going on. Her eye on Lucy [Halliday]\u2019s character [Daisy], keeping an eye and always watching. But I think she does have a special thing for Agnes without question.<\/p>\n

\n\tAunt Vidala also says she knows who Agnes\u2019 mother is. So Mabel, Vidala is aware of how powerful Agnes\u2019 mom is?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> The take that they chose for my response was that the subtext was a little bit judgmental. So I think that she disapproves [of June]. The dirtiness of it all. The fact that Agnes\u2019 mother is a resistance fighter is, I think, not good in Vidala\u2019s eyes.<\/p>\n

\n\tIt does open the door for a June-Lydia reunion, at some point. Have you imagined what that might look like, Ann, if you two get in the same room again?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I haven\u2019t spent a long time on it, but boy, I imagine it would be phenomenal. Because the last time those two were together [in Handmaid\u2019s], what happened? June Osborne took her down. Didn\u2019t spare her anything. And Lydia didn\u2019t fight back. She went down on her hands and knees and begged her for forgiveness<\/a>. So I think there\u2019s room for a very interesting, in its way, deep relationship that could follow.<\/p>\n

\n\tWe saw that Daisy and June have this Mayday relationship<\/a>, so I thought that Daisy maybe ended up at Lydia\u2019s school because of June and Lydia being in touch.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> I don\u2019t have the answer for you. I\u2019m very interested myself in finding that out. That\u2019s an interesting theory. But hey, we\u2019re in season one. Of course, the hope is to go many seasons, so it\u2019s going to be an extended storytelling.<\/p>\n

\n\tThe Handmaid\u2019s Tale was so relevant. Bruce Miller has always said he\u2019d stop doing this show when it stops being relevant. You\u2019re back, and you\u2019re relevant. What has the experience been like to be on a show that brings up so many issues that affect women and people in our real world?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\n\tDOWD<\/strong> Just the gratitude to be in a show that leaves the living room and goes to the streets. And the message of: \u201cStay alert. Be aware. Put your phone down. Get out on the street and protest, because no one is going to do it for you. You do it for yourself.\u201d To be part of a show that does that? I mean, the first time I saw young women dressed up as handmaids on the street, I nearly fell off my bike, literally. I was confused. I was about to call out to them, thinking I was Lydia suddenly. I was about to stop them. Just the power of that, and how wonderful that is. Thank you, Margaret Atwood.<\/p>\n

\n\tLI<\/strong> What\u2019s so powerful about Margaret\u2019s writing is that, unfortunately, it is timeless. She\u2019s exploring the ways that fascist states or authoritarian states are created and maintained. It\u2019s so unfortunate that it is so relevant right now, again, with The Testaments, as The Handmaid\u2019s Tale was so timely when that was coming out.<\/p>\n

\n\t***<\/p>\n

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