{"id":620095,"date":"2026-08-04T15:03:17","date_gmt":"2026-08-04T15:03:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/620095\/"},"modified":"2026-08-04T15:03:17","modified_gmt":"2026-08-04T15:03:17","slug":"real-housewives-at-20-franchise-stars-on-cultural-impact-legacy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/620095\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Real Housewives&#8217; at 20: Franchise Stars on Cultural Impact, Legacy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tTwenty years ago, when a group of affluent women behind the gates of an Orange County community agreed to let a few Handycams follow them around, nobody imagined they were inaugurating one of the most durable \u2014 and consequential \u2014 institutions in American popular culture. Least of all the women themselves.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tThe franchise that would redefine reality television began almost by accident. Scott Dunlop wasn\u2019t looking for America\u2019s next great soap opera. He wanted to document life behind the gates of Coto de Caza, where one ambitious insurance executive named Vicki Gunvalson stood out because, unlike most of her neighbors, she worked. Nobody \u2014 not <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/t\/bravo\/\" id=\"auto-tag_bravo_1\" data-tag=\"bravo\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bravo<\/a>, not the cast, arguably not even Dunlop \u2014 understood that they were inventing a format that would still dominate popular culture two decades later. Bravo executives, underwhelmed by the first footage, seriously debated killing the show before it aired \u2014 relenting, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/t\/andy-cohen\/\" id=\"auto-tag_andy-cohen_1\" data-tag=\"andy-cohen\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Andy Cohen<\/a> later admitted, largely because they were already $400,000 in.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/15d_cov_Housewives_hires-EMBED-2026.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"435\" width=\"348\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPhotographed by Jake Chessum<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tEvery subsequent entry replayed some version of that original bait-and-switch. Gunvalson was told the show was a social experiment. Luann de Lesseps was told she was filming \u201cManhattan Moms.\u201d Teresa Giudice heard \u201cJersey Moms.\u201d Even Gizelle Bryant, who entered the universe years later, says producers explicitly assured her that \u201cLadies of Potomac\u201d would not be another Real Housewives. \u201cThey lied to all of us,\u201d Bryant says now, laughing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tWhat followed was part soap opera, part anthropological experiment and part gladiatorial spectacle: an ever-expanding franchise that transformed table-flipping, wine-throwing, limo meltdowns and spectacularly ill-advised dinner parties into a vernacular understood far beyond Bravo\u2019s audience. Housewives didn\u2019t invent reality television, but it codified much of the genre\u2019s modern grammar \u2014 the confessional reckoning, the escalating grievance, the reunion in which old wounds are reopened, the cast trip designed to strand incompatible personalities together until something breaks. It also helped create the modern architecture of celebrity fandom: recap culture, the meme economy and the parasocial intimacy of knowing someone\u2019s tagline before you know her last name. Bravo didn\u2019t merely build a hit. It built an operating system that much of unscripted television still runs on.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tIn the process, a cable network once associated with arts programming and prestige imports reinvented itself around an endlessly renewable reality universe. Housewives has produced 12 U.S. series, more than 30 international adaptations and 30 spinoffs, along with reunion specials, podcasts, BravoCon and an industrial complex devoted to parsing every cocktail, betrayal and table flip.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tIt also created an unlikely celebrity of its own. Andy Cohen \u2014 then a 37-year-old Bravo programming executive, now the franchise\u2019s executive producer and reunion ringmaster \u2014 became nearly as famous as the women whose careers he helped create: their confessor and gay best friend, their provocateur and occasionally temperamental god, dispensing sympathy, judgment and renewal notices from the reunion couch. Cohen has a less sentimental explanation for the franchise\u2019s durability. \u201cPeople really like judging other people,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/tv\/tv-features\/andy-cohen-interview-real-housewives-allegations-watch-what-happens-live-1235892571\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">he told THR in 2024<\/a>. \u201cIt\u2019s that simple. I love Howard Stern and his Wack Pack, and I think of these Housewives as my personal Wack Pack. Even at the show\u2019s cringiest moments, it\u2019s hard to avert your eyes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tWhether that has been good for American culture is harder to answer. The franchise helped accelerate reality television\u2019s collapse of the border between private life and public performance. It rewarded conspicuous consumption, normalized surveillance as entertainment and created a fandom that can be both intensely loyal and brutally punitive. The women\u2019s worst moments are preserved indefinitely, stripped of context and replayed for strangers who feel entitled to pass judgment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tBut that is only half the story. Long before television executives discovered the commercial potential of \u201cempowerment,\u201d the Housewives put middle-aged women \u2014 loud, sexual, ambitious and contradictory women \u2014 at the center of a hugely successful entertainment franchise. They spoke openly about infertility, infidelity, alcoholism, divorce, domestic power, aging, money and the humiliations of family life. They built businesses, recovered from failed marriages and, in some cases, acquired the financial independence to leave relationships they might otherwise have been trapped inside. They were frequently ridiculous. They were also among the first reality personalities to understand that ridicule could be converted into leverage.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tOver time, women initially treated as disposable punch lines became bona fide stars. De Lesseps turned a fall from countess to tabloid fixture into a thriving cabaret career. Kyle Richards went from former child actor and reality-TV curiosity to producer, entrepreneur and CAA client. Porsha Williams turned her audience into businesses and a platform for political activism and women\u2019s health. Giudice survived prison, divorce and years of family warfare without relinquishing her place at the center of New Jersey. Gunvalson, the original Housewife, has now allowed cameras to document more than two decades of her life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tAnd yet, even at the summit, a velvet rope remains. Jeff Klein, the Sunset Tower hotelier whose hospitality empire caters to the apex of the A-list, once admitted that the only guest who had ever left him starstruck was Lisa Vanderpump \u2014 though he was still embarrassed to seat her at his establishments. San Vicente Bungalows, his private club, is rumored to maintain a policy against admitting Housewives as members. (A club spokesman says \u201cmembers are admitted at the discretion of our board.\u201d) But the story neatly captures the peculiar limbo of Housewifery \u2014 edging ever closer to fame and acceptance, but always one velvet rope short of both.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tFor some lucky Housewives, the show has been a springboard to newfound fortune and independence. But that transformation came at a price. Marriages cracked under the pressure. Children who were too young to consent grew up with their childhoods available on demand. Family feuds became serialized intellectual property. The women learned that they could ask producers to remove a devastating scene \u2014 but had no power to make them do it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tCohen draws a sharper line than the women do about the consequences of that bargain. \u201cYou\u2019re not drafted into the Real Housewives,\u201d he told THR. \u201cYou either want to be on the show or not, and you either see it as having some greater benefit for you or not.\u201d Several of the women \u2014 especially those whose children were too young to make that choice themselves \u2014 complicate that argument in the conversation below<strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tThe franchise\u2019s 20th anniversary also arrives amid a bit of legal turbulence: Leah McSweeney\u2019s disability-related claims against Bravo and related companies are moving forward in open court, after a judge rejected the network\u2019s bid to move the case to private arbitration in March, while Caroline Manzo has sued over an alleged assault during Ultimate Girls Trip. The defendants dispute wrongdoing, and Bravo says an outside investigation found separate allegations against Cohen unsubstantiated. Even the anniversary\u2019s biggest returning cameo carries a legal footnote: NeNe Leakes, back on camera for the occasion, sued the network in 2022 alleging racial discrimination \u2014 a case she later dropped.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/t\/the-real-housewives\/\" id=\"auto-tag_the-real-housewives_1\" data-tag=\"the-real-housewives\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Real Housewives<\/a> Ultimate Girls Trip: Roaring 20th (premiering Aug. 9 on Bravo, with 82 Housewives past and present appearing across its nine episodes) brings together Gunvalson, de Lesseps, Giudice, Richards, Williams, Bryant and Lisa Barlow \u2014 a multigenerational gathering of originals from across the franchise. In their first extended interview together \u2014 two hours this spring in a studio at Rockefeller Center, seven women trailed by a small, frantic army of stylists, hairdressers and minders \u2014 the women sat down with The Hollywood Reporter to discuss what they thought they were signing up for, how the shows changed their families and why, after everything, they continue to come back.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tThe conversation is raucous, self-aware and unexpectedly rueful. Gunvalson reveals that her former husband once gave her a choice between the show and their marriage \u2014 and admits she regrets the choice she made. Richards recalls her daughter Portia, who was 2 when filming began, asking at age 5, \u201cMom, do we do the show until everybody dies?\u201d Gunvalson says her own daughter, after the program\u2019s treatment of her Marine husband, told Andy Cohen to \u201cplease lose my number.\u201d Williams describes entering the show determined to present a perfect young Black family, only to discover that the camera was not manufacturing the story: \u201cOh no,\u201d she remembers realizing. \u201cThis is just me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tThey debate whether the sisterhood is real, whether reality television destroys weak marriages or merely exposes them, and how much responsibility they bear for bringing their children along for the ride. But they agree on one thing: Once the cameras capture your worst, most embarrassing moment, you have no control over who gets to see it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cNone,\u201d Richards says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cZero,\u201d says Barlow.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cZero,\u201d says Williams.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t\u201cZero,\u201d echoes Bryant.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\tTwenty years in, the Housewives may still be arguing about what the franchise has done to America. They are much clearer about what it has done to them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>When each of you first agreed to be filmed for this show, what exactly did you think you were signing up for? Because apparently several of you were not told you were joining The Real Housewives.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>VICKI GUNVALSON<\/strong> Scott Dunlop [RHOC creator] told me it was going to be a social experiment: Pull back the gates of Coto de Caza and ask what it was like to live there as a working woman when 99 percent of the women didn\u2019t work. I said, \u201cWhat do they do all day?\u201d He said, \u201cThey play golf, play tennis and go to the doctor for Botox.\u201d I said, \u201cI do all of that, plus work \u2014 and I\u2019m the breadwinner.\u201d He said, \u201cOh. We\u2019ve got a TV show.\u201d This was just a pilot. None of us thought it would ever be made. So when Scott called to say it was a go, I panicked. I had no desire to be on TV.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>KYLE RICHARDS<\/strong> I had been an actor since childhood, but I didn\u2019t know anything about reality television. But I thought, \u201cWell, my babies are little and they\u2019re just following me around with a camera while I\u2019m playing with them and having fun.\u201d I had no idea what hell I was getting myself into. I certainly didn\u2019t think the baby would be going to college and the cameras would still be here!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>LUANN DE LESSEPS<\/strong> They called ours \u201cManhattan Moms.\u201d They didn\u2019t tell me it was The Real Housewives of New York \u2014 because if I\u2019d watched Orange County, I would definitely have said, \u201cNo way I\u2019m doing that.\u201d I had no idea how popular it would become \u2014 or how many of us would end up with mug shots. (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIZELLE BRYANT<\/strong> They did it to us years later. They told us explicitly that Potomac was not Housewives. We were \u201cLadies of Potomac.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>I\u2019m seeing a pattern here.<\/strong> (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>TERESA GIUDICE<\/strong> They told us \u201cJersey Moms.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> They lied to all of us! (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>PORSHA WILLIAMS<\/strong> Speaking as the only one who wasn\u2019t tricked, I probably fooled myself.\u00a0I was a big fan of Atlanta [when I came on the show] \u2014 I did not work. I was literally the quintessential housewife. I thought, \u201cI\u2019m going to be different. They\u2019re so messy. I don\u2019t live like that.\u201d I genuinely thought when I came in that I could lift the veil and show a young Black family and I could make it look perfect.\u00a0I thought the show was more produced. Then once you get behind the camera, you realize, \u201cOh no, this is just me.\u201d And then things got real! We are supposed to show how fabulous our lives and our marriages and friendships are. In reality that\u2019s not always true.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/RealHousewives_Shot_F_1073_v2_R300_FINAL-EMBED-2026.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"667\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPhotographed by Jake Chessum<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Whatever you thought you were joining, the show has become a 20-year institution. And for all the perks, it can be pretty brutal. What convinced you to stay for so many years?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> I didn\u2019t have a lot of options. When I started, my socialite friends would say, \u201cHow could you do a reality show?\u201d Everyone looked down on this sort of thing back then. I\u2019d say, \u201cYou have a husband. I need to work!\u201d It was poo-pooed. Then suddenly they all were getting divorced \u2014 and now I had my own income, my own show, my own life. The tide shifted.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> And suddenly they are all broke. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> The stigma has certainly gone away. When CAA called to sign me, I thought, \u201cWow, the game has changed.\u201d That used to be reserved for Oscar winners. But it\u2019s not just that. The crew becomes family; the show becomes part of everyday life. Last year, after my separation [from husband Mauricio Umansky] and my daughter moving out, leaving would have felt like another loss. I was afraid to lose it, too.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> When you start with a franchise, it\u2019s personal. Potomac is my baby. I don\u2019t want to leave my baby \u2014 then filming starts and I\u2019m like, \u201cWhen can I leave my baby.\u201d (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> If you\u2019re savvy, you can build on your visibility here. I wasn\u2019t even on Instagram when I started the show. A few months in, my numbers were crazy. I was like, I got to monetize this, and I started my business, Go Naked Hair.\u00a0It\u2019s true that the drama and attention can get really intense. I took a three-year break from the show and really enjoyed the peace. But after a while you start missing the energy and the sisterhood. Not many other people can share the experience of being gutted in front of a crowd of millions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Does that gives you a connection to each other that other people don\u2019t understand?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> It\u2019s a sisterhood, like she said. Or like being part of an NBA team. You go through all these crazy, traumatic, thrilling things together. On our show, Jen Shah got arrested \u2014<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> That\u2019s the bar for us these days. Being arrested!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> Security and the FBI showed up. It was scary. But we still showed up for Jen and wanted her to win. Guilty until proven innocent. You might not like all these women. You might even hate them! But there\u2019s a special bond that develops anyway. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> And if you\u2019re going to jail, we\u2019re coming for you. (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>I know you spend a lot of time watching yourself on television. Do you ever watch yourself as a character and decide that your character needs to change?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> In season one, in the back of the limo with my sister [Kim Richards], the world saw a traumatic family dynamic. I stilI get teary watching it. would never handle it that way today.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>What would you do differently?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I wouldn\u2019t lunge at Kim in the limo. I also understand alcoholism differently now. And I\u2019ve learned to confront people constructively. It took me 15 years on the show, with everyone watching.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> I was watching. As one of five sisters, I felt the love behind what you did. At the time, I probably would have pulled her hair too.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> We forget that the camera is there, and we act out like everyone else. People don\u2019t really understand that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> You\u2019re loved one day, hated the next \u2014 and it all happens in enormous, loud waves. I don\u2019t let myself feel the high or the low. That\u2019s how you stay on without wrecking yourself.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Are there scenes that you wish you could permanently delete?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> How much time do you have? (Laughs.) So many!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Each season, there\u2019s a scene tor two that we would like deleted or to have never happened. But\u00a0 growth comes when you realize you\u2019re just human. You have to forget and forgive yourself almost every season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> But the audience doesn\u2019t let you forget a thing!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> I just stopped looking at social media. In my second or third season, I stopped deciding to see myself through their eyes. Lots of times they judge you in the first episodes, but by the reunion the story looks totally different. I know I have a good heart. I know I didn\u2019t mean it like that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Oh, you meant it like that! (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Sometimes I did. But I stopped living through their eyes. They don\u2019t know me. They just know the part of me that made it to the show. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>If you know you\u2019ve just made a terrible scene, how much power do you have to keep it out?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> None.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> Zero.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Zero.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Zero.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> None. I fought with my brother [Joe Gorga] and Melissa [Gorga] on the show for years. I never wanted my family on TV. Now we\u2019ve finally made up. But the cameras didn\u2019t help.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>You all chose the show, but your families \u2014 and especially your children \u2014 were drafted into it. How do you reckon with that now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> Portia was so little, she didn\u2019t really have a choice. She\u2019s now applying for colleges and she wrote something in her essay about all this. And it really hit me like, \u201cMy gosh, this child has no memory of her life before the show.\u201d She once asked me when she was around 5, \u201cMom, do we do the show until everybody dies?\u201d I told Andy [Cohen] and he goes, \u201cYou know, she may not be wrong.\u201d (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> I asked my kids. They were so little. They just were like, \u201cTV, yay.\u201d But now, they could take it or leave it.\u00a0And they do know that we some bad bitches over here. And they\u2019re very proud of me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Am I the only one who didn\u2019t have a sit-down conversation? I honestly now feel a little selfish, because I don\u2019t remember just asking them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> But you had a baby on the show.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Yes. She learned to say, \u201cMic me!\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> How cute!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> My children are now 39 and 40. My son did a film this year. My daughter wants nothing to do with it.\u00a0Her husband\u00a0 just got back from the Marine Corps \u2014 six\u00a0tours overseas \u2014 and he\u2019s got some PTSD, and they really showed a bad light of him. She just was like, \u201cMom, I want nothing to do with it.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cCan you do a cameo? Can you come on for a little bit?\u201d Andy even called her for this season and she was like, \u201cPlease lose my number.\u201d What the show did to their family was not good.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> Two of my daughters like it and the other two don\u2019t. I always ask; I don\u2019t force them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> My daughter has supported me through all the shit in my life. My son, since the [season one] dancing moment, will never forgive me. He\u2019s an artist; it\u2019s not his life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> For years Portia assumed everyone had a show. Her classmates would say, \u201cNo we don\u2019t.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>What has the show done to your marriages and romantic lives?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> It killed mine.\u00a0When Scott approached me and Donn [Gunvalson, Vicki\u2019s then-husband] at the time about doing this pilot, Donn\u2019s like, \u201cThere\u2019s no way we\u2019re doing this in our family.\u201d He was like, \u201cAnybody that goes on TV is going to get divorced.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWe\u2019re not going to get divorced. We\u2019re fine.\u201d And obviously, fast-forward, we got divorced.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> You regret that?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> I do. My family was more important than the show, and it broke apart.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Two things can be true. The show can strain a marriage, but it can also reveal things about that marriage \u2014 or about yourself \u2014 that you needed to know.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> If the marriage is weak, it\u2019s going to fall apart.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> And it\u2019s not always just about the poor guy whose wife ran off to become a star. The show reveals people to themselves. It is a true mirror.\u00a0At home I might call myself submissive, but the audience says \u201cNo, he\u2019s controlling!\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> Are you projecting by any chance?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> I\u2019m projecting a little. But men aren\u2019t always the victims here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> But sometimes they realize  the woman they see on TV isn\u2019t the woman they married. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> I started divorced and stayed that way. It\u2019s difficult to find a man who wants to participate in all this\u2014 which is fine. If he really wants to be on camera, he\u2019s not for me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> I don\u2019t think it\u2019s the show that breaks marriages, I think it\u2019s the people that break marriages. The show just speeds that up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>One of the big questions coming into this:  How much is reality and how much is TV? To what extent are we watching the real you, and to what extent are you playing a role you\u2019ve come to inhabit?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I\u2019m never playing a role!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> Never?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> No. But I think we can accentuate our role sometimes.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> I think everybody here is authentic.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> If you\u2019re too aware of the camera, or too self-conscious, the scene just doesn\u2019t work. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> Look, there are some Housewives who are very aware of the cameras! But you could spot those girls from a mile away!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>But you can play to the camera a little bit, if you wanted more air time?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s a dangerous game. You cannot play to the camera if you\u2019re being yourself.\u00a0Every time I did that, I lost. I would get to that reunion and I would forget the play.  And I\u2019d end up looking like a total fool. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> That\u2019s an old, mean Housewives trick. They dig up the most horrific clip of you and then Andy says, \u201cWhat does the audience think?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Contrary to what people think, we\u2019re not great liars. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> Or great actors! It\u2019s always easier to remember the truth than it is a lie.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if anybody else has here, but I\u2019ve had a hot mic moment [back in season four]. I was like, \u201cShit. Oh my God.\u201d You\u2019re always saying shit that you regret.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> How many times have you said something horrible and you\u2019re just frantic about it? Then you\u2019re waiting for that episode and they don\u2019t use it and you\u2019re like, \u201cThank you God!\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> But they run it as a flashback a little later. And you die all over again. (Laughs.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>OK. You\u2019re authentic \u2014 I will take you at your word. But producers want a compelling storyline. How do they get you to deliver it to them? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong>\u00a0They\u2019re your friends, your family, you\u2019re endlessly spilling your guts at them. And they are writing it all down. The next thing you know, they will ask you, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you guys talk about what you\u2019re feeling right now?\u201d And I\u2019m like, \u201cI can\u2019t even lie because I already told them what I was feeling!\u201d Honestly, there\u2019s a lot of manipulation going on. It\u2019s just the way it is.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>You become intimate with producers, but is their loyalty ultimately to you or to the show?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> Oh! The show.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> The magic is thinking it\u2019s to you.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> But it\u2019s always to the show.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> That\u2019s why we open up our lives and reveal everything. We give them what they need from us. It\u2019s a twisted kind of love.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> We do negotiate, though. There may be a moment where there is something you don\u2019t want to say right then, and you can bargain with them a bit. I sometimes say, \u201cI\u2019m not ready today for this, but I\u2019m going to give you this instead.\u201d It\u2019s still real, but sometimes you need to take a beat.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> For example, say something bad comes out on TMZ about a castmember.\u00a0It\u2019s fair game. Someone has to ask them about it. So they may come to me and I\u2019ll say, \u201cYou need to get some other sucker to do this. I\u2019m sorry. I\u2019ve been here too long. I am not bringing that shit up with her.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>We\u2019ve seen all these political changes since the show started \u2014 discussions of race, #MeToo and sexual orientation. The Housewives used to be pretty apolitical. How has the show changed in its handling of these issues?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> Back in the day we never talked about race, religion, who we\u2019re voting for. You want to be where the conversation is. But we still have to be very careful not to offend anybody.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> You can be canceled so easily.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> My mom always raised me not to talk about politics in public, so I take that to the cameras too. It\u2019s the safest way.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> I\u2019m going to say this: I just want what\u2019s right for America. It doesn\u2019t matter.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> We couldn\u2019thide from politics during Black Lives Matter. I had been arrested twice while I was protesting, and before we filmed I told them that the subject had to be handled responsibly, not in the usual Housewife way. There were viewers who kept saying \u201cAll Lives Matter.\u201d It bothered me. I thought a real conversation was necessary. But we tried to do it with tender loving care.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Potomac is right outside of D.C., so we\u2019ve taken the cameras into the White House. Politics is a part of our show. I recently went to Congress, and we took the camera there, too. Every franchise has their own unwritten rules and code of ethics. For instance, on Potomac, we don\u2019t talk about other people\u2019s children, and we don\u2019t get into religion.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> That doesn\u2019t happen on my show, either. No politics or religion. Or kids. But OK with everything else!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> In Beverly Hills, we would never say anything about someone\u2019s child, ever.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Not in public, anyway. (Laughs.) What other things would be off-limits?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> Businesses, to me. My business was 27 years old.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s on the table for us. Business is always on the table.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> I feel like your spouses should be off-limits. When I got married [to Luis \u201cLouie\u201d Ruelas],\u00a0he was innocent to this. I had all these people who I just met attack my husband, and he didn\u2019t sign up for this.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> But he did go on the show, so once you have somebody on the show, it is fair game.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> He did not know that he was going to get attacked by my castmembers and my family members. My brother even attacked him!\u00a0That was so heart-wrenching for me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Fans seem to have a special relationship with people on reality TV \u2014 more intense and passionate than with other stars. On social, everything you do or say is debated and analyzed and meme-ified. Doesn\u2019t that drive you crazy after a while?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> It used to drive me crazy. So I don\u2019t look at it anymore. I ignore it. They don\u2019t know me. I just try to live my life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> Does it happen to you, though, where you\u2019re walking around and you forget who you are? You\u2019re just Luann. And then some stranger bounds up to you at a store and you think, \u201cOh, shit. I forgot. I am famous.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> I just think I scared them without my wig.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> People tend to project their own lives on to you. They think they know you and what you\u2019re feeling. But they see just a few minutes out of your life that the producers create. But look, people care. They give you lots of bad advice, but sometimes its really smart and helpful.  I\u2019m a cafeteria Catholic, OK? I take what I like from social, and I leave the rest behind.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> When my husband and I first got separated, people were totally devastated. It was like it happened to them. I was already feeling like I let down my family, and strangers were reaching out and messaging me, \u201cPlease don\u2019t get divorced, please.\u201d That really did get to me after a while.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>You\u2019re dealing with your marriage but also feel responsible to millions of viewers. How do you make decisions in that gap?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I still feel the pressure of it in my own marriage. \u201cWhy haven\u2019t you made a decision? Why haven\u2019t you gotten divorced? I feel like people are expecting an answer from me, and I owe it to them because they\u2019re watching me on television every week. There were people who said, \u201cWe believe in true love but you let us down.\u201d I knew, logically, that I shouldn\u2019t let that affect me. But it did.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Have you had\u00a0any frightening fan encounters?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> I just found out that there\u2019s this Facebook account that is posting horrific, false things, like me with another man holding hands, kissing him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>It\u2019s AI?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> Yes. My husband with another woman. They were saying false things about my daughter with her boyfriend, that she was having a baby, and she\u2019s not. Some people believe it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> It\u2019s very believable. The pictures are so believable.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I had a fan show up at my house, a woman, and she was saying, \u201cKyle,\u201d and I looked out there. She said, \u201cI know you\u2019re out there. I know that\u2019s your car and those are your dogs,\u201d and then she said, \u201cYou need to talk to me. We\u2019re friends. We\u2019re best friends.\u201d I had to call the police. They sent a helicopter, and I was like, \u201cOK, this is crazy.\u201d But from watching the show, she really felt we were best friends, and I\u2019d never met this person.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> An Amazon driver once realized it was my house when she dropped off a package.\u00a0She took a picture of my house, the map of my house and posted it, and was like, \u201cY\u2019all won\u2019t believe whose house I went to today.\u201d And she posted where I live. She didn\u2019t even think she was doing anything wrong.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> This family was in my house on Easter, y\u2019all.\u00a0 It was a husband, a wife and their kids. They were like, \u201cOh. We were looking at houses, so we want to stop by and say hello.\u201d They were standing in my foyer.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-hollywoodreporter-2021\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/RealHousewives_Shot_A_0288_v2_R300_FINAL-EMBED-2026.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"1500\" width=\"1000\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPhotographed by Jake Chessum<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>If there\u2019s a\u00a0god of the\u00a0Housewives universe, it\u2019s\u00a0Andy Cohen. Is he a loving\u00a0god or a vengeful\u00a0god?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Loving.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> Loving.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> Loving. Mostly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> We all love Andy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>How often do you all talk to him?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> He text messages me a lot. He\u00a0checks in from time to time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> He\u2019s a prolific texter. But we know he\u2019s watching from afar.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>In his role on the show, he has remarkable sway over your lives and your livelihoods. Do you ever think that he has favorites?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> As you said, he\u2019s kind of the God of the franchise, and he sometimes works in mysterious ways. But like God, we like to think he loves all his children equally.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Do you know what role you\u2019re being cast\u00a0to play at the start of the season?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> It evolves as you go. Maybe they know.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Oh, they know exactly! Before every season.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I don\u2019t think anybody goes in thinking, \u201cI\u2019m going to be the villain.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Right. They just turn you into one. You have nothing to say about it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Do you know what you all get paid?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> No, we do not discuss.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Does your salary get bigger the longer you are here?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> Of course it does!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> I mean, I love my crew, but I\u2019m not here for nothing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> And let\u2019s just say, as big as it gets, it\u2019s never enough!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> Money is never a conversation with men. If we were all men, there would never be a conversation of, \u201cHm, are y\u2019all getting paid too much?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>What will you\u00a0be doing in another 20 years?\u00a0Are we headed for a Golden Girls edition?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> I\u2019d love it, personally.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> I always say I want to hold onto my check as long as the Beverly Hills girls. Y\u2019all don\u2019t let it go!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong>\u00a0If Kyle\u2019s still here, we\u2019re all here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Vicki, you launched\u00a0the franchise, were dropped and then brought back. What did being fired teach you?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GUNVALSON<\/strong> I needed a reset. I was burned out.\u00a0I wanted to focus on my business and my children. Then Tamra [Judge] came back and I didn\u2019t. I called Andy. \u201cWhy is she on and not me? I started before her.\u201d They took me back.  It was like a humble pie was served to me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BRYANT<\/strong> I love how everyone was so supportive when you came back. People cried when they gave you back your orange!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Porsha, would the woman who joined the show at 30 recognize the person you are now \u2014 with a new partner [Patrice \u201cSway\u201d McKinney]?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> I have a partner now, a woman, and I\u2019m happy, and I\u2019m free. When I was younger, at 30, joining the show, I was in a box from my past with men and my religious past.\u00a0When I finally released myself, I said, \u201cI\u2019m just going to be me.\u201d I decided to be open about my sexuality because I felt\u00a0that I owed that to the women who had watched the show. We can\u2019t be fake. We must be free.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Teresa, you kept filming\u00a0during the investigation, before your incarceration and through your ex-husband\u2019s deportation. Looking back, do you regret\u00a0letting the cameras capture all that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE <\/strong>Yes. Because I\u2019m always a mom first. But at the time,\u00a0I really didn\u2019t understand what my ex-husband had done. I just thought we\u00a0had to go through the process and everything would be fine. I really never in a million years thought I would go to jail. If you said to me, \u201cI\u2019ll give you $40 million right now, are you going to go to jail?\u201d I\u2019d be like, \u201cNo, absolutely not.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> Part of that invincibility that you felt, was it because you were a celebrity?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> No. Being a celebrity made me go to jail. They made an example of me. I know I didn\u2019t do anything. I went to a closing.\u00a0I\u00a0put my John Hancock on that dotted line, and I went to jail because of that.\u00a0My story will never change. Everyone knew I had nothing to do with my husband\u2019s business. I was a housewife. I stayed home, watched the kids.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> Made lasagna.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong> And cooked. I did laundry. I was a real housewife. I thought, \u201cI\u2019m not going to jail. I didn\u2019t do anything.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Luann,\u00a0did you know when you recorded \u201cMoney Can\u2019t Buy You Class\u201d that it would\u00a0become the\u00a0franchise\u2019s defining anthem?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS<\/strong> No. And I believe it: Money can\u2019t buy you class, and it can\u2019t buy you love, and it can\u2019t buy you happiness, or fame, right?\u00a0Women that we know would love to be on the show.\u00a0But you can\u2019t buy your way in.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>What\u2019s the best thing about being a\u00a0Housewife \u2014 and what\u2019s the worst thing about this level of celebrity?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>DE LESSEPS <\/strong>I\u2019m living my best life.\u00a0I\u2019m 60 years old now. I stand in my house and I go, \u201cThis is my house. These are my cars. This is my boat. Look at my beautiful children. Look at what I built.\u201d I built my life. I\u2019m free.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> You get to reinvent yourself all the time.\u00a0I have a new song out [\u201cBaby Gorgeous\u201d].\u00a0Jack, my oldest, just heard my song and he\u2019s like, \u201cMy mom is going to be a pop star.\u201d Who does that?<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> Now that I\u2019m separated from my husband, I never thought I\u2019d be in this position, but I\u2019m great. I\u2019m working. I started my production company. I have four shows in development. I\u2019m OK on my own, and there\u2019s no denying that the Housewives had a big part in that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>Twenty\u00a0years in, there\u2019s no question that the Housewives have changed America. But has that been a good thing?  Critics complain that you promote bad behavior and crass consumerism. What do you think you\u2019ve contributed to the culture? What has your legacy been?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> People like to focus on all the bad behavior. We fight and get drunk and act silly. But I hope they remember more than the drinking and fighting. We are all strong, capable and resilient women. We\u2019re survivors. We are great mothers. We\u2019re loyal friends. We make our own way. That\u2019s not a bad legacy I don\u2019t think.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>BARLOW<\/strong> Our experience reflects the struggles that everyone goes through in life. People can get messy. Money doesn\u2019t spare you from problems with your husband or your friends or your kids. None of us claims to be role models. But we try our best, and what we do has meaning to people. We all get thousands of letters and emails from folks who are moved or impacted by us in some way..<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>WILLIAMS<\/strong> We may mess up. But for the most part we are doing just great. And not only have we survived, we\u2019re thriving!  Women can be strong and resilient and powerful. And that is definitely a good message to send.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>GIUDICE<\/strong>  I\u2019m writing my seventh book now. My third memoir. There\u2019s both good and bad that came with all that life. And everyone has gone on that journey with me. I gave birth on the show. I divorced on the show. I even went to jail on the show!<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/  a-font-body-m     \">\n\t<strong>RICHARDS<\/strong> See? Who else could say that? She\u2019s a Real Housewife of New Jersey. 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