{"id":664850,"date":"2026-08-31T07:58:11","date_gmt":"2026-08-31T07:58:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/664850\/"},"modified":"2026-08-31T07:58:11","modified_gmt":"2026-08-31T07:58:11","slug":"my-daughters-classmates-have-left-for-a-grind-school-and-she-is-desperate-to-join-them-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/664850\/","title":{"rendered":"My daughter\u2019s classmates have left for a grind school and she is desperate to join them \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Question<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><b>My daughter returned to school last week to discover that a number of her classmates had left and are now studying for the <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/leaving-certificate\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/leaving-certificate\/\"><b>Leaving Cert<\/b><\/a><b> in a popular grind school. She is now pressuring us to allow her to join them.<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><b>I don\u2019t want to diminish her academic progression opportunities, but as a former past pupil of her current school myself, I <\/b><b>value the lifelong friendships and past pupils\u2019 union involvement I still enjoy. So, I <\/b><b>wonder <\/b><b>about the wisdom of the move.<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \"><b>I contacted the grind school in question to ask about the cost, <\/b><b>but it turns out they have been fully subscribed for incoming fifth-year students since June.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Answer<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Grind schools have grown to become a significant presence in many of our cities. The Irish Times recently highlighted the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/business\/2026\/08\/03\/institute-of-education-profits-triple-following-130m-takeover\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/business\/2026\/08\/03\/institute-of-education-profits-triple-following-130m-takeover\/\">profitability of one particular school<\/a> as having risen from \u20ac3 million to \u20ac9 million over the past three years. Therefore, their presence and growth is definitely market driven. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Many parents struggle with the question you pose, that of academic achievement. Do grind schools improve on the results that students would have achieved if they had stayed in their original school?<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">When we in the Irish Times seek and secure data annually for our academic progression charts for schools, grind-school data is never provided. Marketing on behalf of grind schools tends to involve photos of very happy, high-achieving students after receiving their Leaving Cert results. However, some of these institutions have over 1,000 registered students. This is why such photos, though accurate, can be deceptive.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Last week, some of this year\u2019s Leaving Certs failed to secure the grades required for their top <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/cao\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/cao\/\">CAO<\/a> course choice. The fear of this happening to your child is one of the drivers of grind school enrolment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">What students and parents often don\u2019t factor in is that thousands of those who did not secure their dream course last week are now starting one-year post leaving cert (PLC) courses. Over 6,500 Leaving Cert students who took <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/education\/2026\/08\/24\/further-education-and-training-should-be-considered-a-winning-choice-not-a-consolation-prize\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/education\/2026\/08\/24\/further-education-and-training-should-be-considered-a-winning-choice-not-a-consolation-prize\/\">the PLC option<\/a> last year are now starting university, having been offered their dream course in round zero of the CAO process three weeks ago.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Up to 20 per cent of places on most CAO programmes are offered to such applicants in round zero annually. Progression through their degree programmes in university is often equal to, if not better than, those who went directly from the Leaving Cert.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">There are also cultural and social reasons for why grind schools have blossomed. My generation of school leavers entered university at 17 and graduated before their 21st birthday. Given the growth of early childhood education and the near-universal participation in transition year (TY), many students enter fifth year approaching their 17th birthday and complete their schooling as 19-year-olds. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Our senior cycle students are full adults in the eyes of the law, free to drive cars, vote in elections and marry if they wish. In our schools, though, they must still wear the school uniform and follow rules and regulations designed for another era.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Surely our senior cycle students should be facilitated in taking their final two years of schooling in an environment appropriate to their level of maturity? Other jurisdictions have addressed this issue through the formal separation of middle and high school.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Maybe the growth in demand for grind school by people such as your daughter and some of her classmates is an indication that we need to consciously treat our senior cycle as an adult environment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">askbrian@irishtimes.com<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Question My daughter returned to school last week to discover that a number of her classmates had left&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":664851,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_share_on_mastodon":"0"},"categories":[73],"tags":[52323,79,14331,12552,18,19,17,12550,12551,1420,70755],"class_list":["post-664850","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-business","tag-ask-brian","tag-business","tag-cao","tag-classroom-to-college","tag-eire","tag-ie","tag-ireland","tag-leaving-certificate","tag-second-level","tag-students","tag-your-stories"],"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@ie\/117189063964969591","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/664850","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=664850"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/664850\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/664851"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=664850"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=664850"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=664850"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}