{"id":96686,"date":"2025-10-01T10:44:08","date_gmt":"2025-10-01T10:44:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/96686\/"},"modified":"2025-10-01T10:44:08","modified_gmt":"2025-10-01T10:44:08","slug":"i-get-defensive-when-people-who-have-moved-away-scoff-about-it-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/ie\/96686\/","title":{"rendered":"I get defensive when people who have moved away scoff about it \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">I once called into a friend who had recently become a vegan. He put two steaming cups of black tea on the table. He watched as I poured milk into my cup and said that he couldn\u2019t fathom how anyone could drink the stuff, slightly shuddering. Ah, here, I told him, three weeks ago you were chowing down double-bacon cheeseburgers, so relax with your sneering. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">I get the same defensive reaction when I hear p<a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/irish-abroad\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/irish-abroad\">eople who have moved away<\/a> from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/ireland\/\">Ireland<\/a> scoffing about Ireland. It\u2019s the \u201cAre you guys still at that nonsense?\u201d attitude when people come back that exhausts me, like when someone watches you through a window as you scramble to take the washing from a downpour, and enlightens you with their idea that you should have just used the dryer. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">When people deride the nation, I feel personally insulted, as though I am responsible for it all. Yes, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/late-late-show\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/late-late-show\/\">The Late Late Show<\/a> is still on on Friday nights. No, you can\u2019t pay for public transport with your phone. Yes, all the good places in town are demolished. No, you can\u2019t get through A&amp;E in under two hours. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/2025\/08\/23\/an-emigrant-returns-to-ireland-land-of-saints-scoundrels-and-status-quo\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">I am an emigrant who has recently returned to Ireland. This is why I\u2019m glad to be backOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">Maybe if <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/emigration\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/emigration\/\">emigrants<\/a> experience a kind of arrogance toward Ireland in their host country, they start to think of it more as backward. Very rarely, when I lived abroad, I felt a snobbery towards Ireland. An English woman described to me a man doing a very slow and bad job as \u201cbeing so Irish about it\u201d. She followed up with, \u201cSorry, you know what I mean, don\u2019t you?\u201d I feel like some of our wild geese would have responded, \u201cTell me about it. Sure, they\u2019re still putting out the Child of Prague in Ireland.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">When younger people complain about the state of the place, others tell them they have no idea how much things have improved. My local park, now bustling, was a place where you\u2019d come out from a football match to find your car up on blocks, or get a brick thrown at your head when you were running for the bus. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">It\u2019s in all of us, I suppose, to talk about how tough we think we\u2019ve had it. When I was living away, I laughed along as a woman from the west of Ireland and a man from eastern Pakistan competed over who had experienced the most disadvantage during their 1980s childhoods. A man from the North of Ireland tried to get involved, but he was immediately disqualified for having access to good roads and healthcare. They went tit for tat until the woman from Mayo announced that she had not tasted yoghurt until she was 12, emotionally recalling the first pot of Yoplait being unveiled in the kitchen. She was declared the winner.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">\u201cThis place is a kip,\u201d Irish people say when they come back to visit from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/london\/3\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/london\/3\/\">London<\/a> and Sydney. Ireland is not cosmopolitan enough, but the place is losing its character. The liberalism and globalisation that drive us to follow opportunities and fulfil dreams in other parts of the world contribute to our cities and towns becoming less unique. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/life-style\/people\/2025\/08\/16\/irish-abroad-returning-home-its-been-hard-i-didnt-probably-know-the-ireland-i-was-coming-back-to\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u2018We can\u2019t have nice things in Ireland because no one follows the rules\u2019: Emigrants on returning homeOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cThis country!\u201d returners cry, faced with disillusion when the reality of life in Ireland does not meet a romanticised ideal borne in some way from loneliness and a regrown hope. A bubbling sense of disconnection from Ireland pulls people to other places, but if they can\u2019t bed down properly in the new country either, they can start to feel lost in the world. Ambivalence leads to moaning that Ireland is regressive, but that it\u2019s not the same as it used to be. They miss the anonymity that made them miss being known. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">I\u2019m not denying that some of the best things about living here can be easily tainted. I met a friend for a pint of Guinness in Mulligan\u2019s on Poolbeg Street in Dublin, a dark, warm 170-year-old pub. We went next door for an Ethiopian meal and strolled down the cobbles of Fleet Street into a gorgeous little theatre. We saw a powerful play and were feeling enchanted by our night out together. The smiles were wiped off our faces as we emerged into a suddenly frenzied and menacing Temple Bar, and we ran the gauntlet home. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/life-style\/2025\/07\/12\/the-real-temple-bar-thriving-cultural-quarter-or-a-violent-post-apocalyptic-place\/\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The real Temple Bar: Thriving cultural quarter or \u2018a violent post-apocalyptic place\u2019?Opens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Weeks later, walking into a pharmacy, I heard someone scream about a fellah with a knife. I turned to see a teenage boy swinging a machete at a scrambling group of lads in the car park. Not here, I thought, please don\u2019t do this here, in my home.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall b-it-article-body__text--left\">My seven-year-old asked me the other day where my favourite place in the world is. Ireland, I told her. She repeated the question in her sweet, high-pitched voice, emphasising the word world. I repeated my answer, emphasising the word Ireland. She asked her pal the same thing the next day when they were nattering in the back of the car. \u201cSpain,\u201d she said. \u201cIt\u2019s much warmer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">I have spent about half of my life living in other countries, incredible places. I left a part of myself in each of them, but I was always anchored to Ireland. There are things about the place that make me sad and angry, but this only increases my sense of protectiveness. I know there are places where things are easier, but it doesn\u2019t mean they\u2019re better. Please don\u2019t scorn Ireland from a new height. Please don\u2019t call it a kip. It\u2019s my home and I love it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"I once called into a friend who had recently become a vegan. 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