{"id":37507,"date":"2025-11-02T06:43:13","date_gmt":"2025-11-02T06:43:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/lv\/37507\/"},"modified":"2025-11-02T06:43:13","modified_gmt":"2025-11-02T06:43:13","slug":"karogs-nav-tikai-divas-krasas-un-audums-intervija-ar-ukrainu-suveju-sostaku-raksts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/lv\/37507\/","title":{"rendered":"Karogs nav tikai divas kr\u0101sas un audums. Intervija ar ukrai\u0146u \u0161uv\u0113ju \u0160ostaku \/ Raksts"},"content":{"rendered":"

Angelina \u0160ostaka \u0161uj Ukrainas karogus. Vi\u0146a dod cer\u012bbu Ukrainas karav\u012briem, v\u0113sta par posto\u0161o karu \u0101rzem\u0113s, d\u0101vinot karogus citiem, k\u0101 ar\u012b sasniegusi rekordus par liel\u0101kajiem Ukrainas karogiem. Karogs nav tikai auduma gabals, tas dod cer\u012bbu un m\u0101jas, uzsver Angelina.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Intervijas ce\u013cvedis:<\/p>\n

Vai karogs ir kas vair\u0101k nek\u0101 tikai valsts simbols?<\/p>\n

Kad 2014. gad\u0101 Kramatorsk\u0101 no\u0146\u0113ma Ukrainas karogu no vald\u012bbas \u0113k\u0101m, un, pats galvenais, vi\u0146i no\u0146\u0113ma m\u016bsu Ukrainas karogu no r\u0101tsnama un pak\u0101ra savu tr\u012bskr\u0101saino karogu, krievu lupatu\u2026 Nu, labi, sauksim to par karogu\u2026 Tad m\u0113s saprat\u0101m, ka karogs nav tikai Ukrainas valstiskuma simbols. Tas ir m\u016bsu neatkar\u012bbas un br\u012bv\u012bbas simbols. Jo pirmais, ko okupanti dara, ierodoties m\u016bsu zem\u0113 – no\u0146em m\u016bsu karogu, un izkar savu. T\u0101d\u0113j\u0101di par\u0101dot, ka \u0161\u012b nav Ukraina. T\u0101s ir kr\u0101sas, par kur\u0101m mirst m\u016bsu karav\u012bri. Par \u0161\u012bm zilaj\u0101m un dzeltenaj\u0101m kr\u0101s\u0101m, \u0161iem Ukrainas simboliem, vi\u0146i atdod savas dz\u012bv\u012bbas. Tie\u0161i zem \u0161\u012bm zilaj\u0101m un dzeltenaj\u0101m kr\u0101s\u0101m m\u016bsu sportisti g\u016bst pan\u0101kumus un uzvar. Man t\u0101s ir br\u012bv\u012bbas un neatkar\u012bbas kr\u0101sas. T\u0101p\u0113c Ukrainas karogs nav tikai valstiskuma simbols. Tas ir valsts simbols, m\u016bsu identit\u0101tes, m\u016bsu br\u012bv\u012bbas, m\u016bsu neatkar\u012bbas simbols.<\/p>\n

K\u0101ds bija noska\u0146ojums Doneckas apgabal\u0101, kad s\u0101k\u0101s kar\u0161 pirms desmit gadiem. Ja, piem\u0113ram, k\u0101ds atbalst\u012bja Ukrainu, tas var\u0113ja beigties slikti?<\/p>\n

J\u0101, tas tie\u0161\u0101m var\u0113ja beigties slikti, un t\u0101 ar\u012b notika. M\u0113s bij\u0101m liecinieki pa\u0161am kara s\u0101kumam, jo \u200b\u200bdz\u012bvoj\u0101m div\u0101s pils\u0113t\u0101s: Kramatorsk\u0101, man\u0101 dzimtaj\u0101 pils\u0113t\u0101, un Bahmut\u0101, kur dz\u012bvoj\u0101m. B\u016bt\u012bb\u0101 tr\u012bs dienas Kramatorsk\u0101, tr\u012bs dienas Bahmut\u0101. Turkl\u0101t m\u0113s vismaz divas reizes ned\u0113\u013c\u0101 brauc\u0101m uz Donecku un redz\u0113j\u0101m, k\u0101 tas viss s\u0101k\u0101s, k\u0101 vi\u0146i s\u0101ka uzbrukt p\u0113c Maidana, kad Maidans beidz\u0101s. Vi\u0146i \u0101tri s\u0101ka veidot savu kvazivalsti. Vi\u0146i meta uz ce\u013ciem riepas, uzst\u0101d\u012bja kontrolpunktus. Tas bija v\u0113l pirms vi\u0146i ie\u0146\u0113ma pils\u0113tas policijas iecirkni Slovjansk\u0101, Kramatorsk\u0101. Vi\u0146i sauca: “Jums var b\u016bt Maidans, bet mums ne?!” Vi\u0146iem bija plak\u0101ti, uz kuriem rakst\u012bts: “NATO neiztur\u0113s”. Vi\u0146i \u0161ausm\u012bgi baid\u012bj\u0101s no NATO. Vi\u0146i nezin\u0101ja, kas tas ir, tikai retais var\u0113ja izskaidrot, kas ir NATO. Bet vi\u0146i no t\u0101 \u0161ausm\u012bgi baid\u012bj\u0101s, jo Krievija to bija iegalvojusi k\u0101 kaut ko \u013coti sliktu. Doneck\u0101 \u0161\u012b krievisk\u0101 noska\u0146ojuma nebija mazums, t\u0101 bija diezgan daudz. Bet nevaru apgalvot, ka visa Donecka, viss Doneckas apgabals bija piln\u012bb\u0101 prokrievisks.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelinaa<\/p>\n

Angelinaa ar 9x6m karogu, ko vi\u0146a ziedoja Bahmutas iedz\u012bvot\u0101jiem<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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Bija patrioti, bija t\u0101di cilv\u0113ki k\u0101 m\u0113s un\u00a0mani draugi. Tom\u0113r m\u0113s bij\u0101m minorit\u0101te.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

K\u0101p\u0113c? T\u0101p\u0113c, ka tuvums Krievijai atst\u0101j savas p\u0113das. Ja \u0146emam Kramatorsku, mums ir \u0161\u012b milzu ma\u0161\u012bnb\u016bves r\u016bpn\u012bca. Savulaik tur veda str\u0101d\u0101t krievus. Tie\u0161i no Krievijas pie mums ierad\u0101s speci\u0101listi, apmet\u0101s uz dz\u012bvi un nodibin\u0101ja \u0123imenes. Bet saikne ar Krieviju saglab\u0101j\u0101s. Pat ja \u0146emam k\u0101 piem\u0113ru m\u016bsu devi\u0146st\u0101vu dz\u012bvok\u013cu \u0113ku ar 36 dz\u012bvok\u013ciem, tad div\u0101m tre\u0161da\u013c\u0101m iem\u012btnieku te ir radinieki Krievij\u0101. T\u0101p\u0113c ir saprotams, ka tad, kad cilv\u0113ki nav \u012bpa\u0161i gatavi dom\u0101t, analiz\u0113t vai savilkt paral\u0113les, ar vi\u0146iem ir \u013coti viegli manipul\u0113t. T\u0101p\u0113c krieviskais noska\u0146ojums “v\u0101r\u012bj\u0101s”, un, kad vi\u0146i pulc\u0113j\u0101s Doneck\u0101 pie \u013be\u0146ina pieminek\u013ca uz \u0161iem m\u012bti\u0146iem, vi\u0146i tur atrada atbalstu, jo p\u016b\u013cus ir viegl\u0101k kontrol\u0113t. Tas ir padomju ieradums, pareiz\u0101k sakot, padomju mentalit\u0101te, ka tev absol\u016bti nepiecie\u0161ams k\u0101ds, kas tevi vada. Bet dom\u0101t – tas ir gr\u016bti, t\u0101p\u0113c viegl\u0101k ir nedom\u0101t, bet sekot k\u0101dam\u2026 12. apr\u012bl\u012b ar pils\u0113tas policijas iecirk\u0146a ie\u0146em\u0161anu, pilns m\u0113rogs k\u013cuva \u013coti ac\u012bmredzams. J\u0101, vi\u0146u bija daudz, bet bij\u0101m ar\u012b m\u0113s, kas izn\u0101c\u0101m un bij\u0101m pret to. Tie, kas iebilda, tika nodoti prokrieviskiem cilv\u0113kiem.<\/p>\n

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Nebija iesp\u0113jams pat izlikt savu karogu, kur nu v\u0113l to izlikt vai pat n\u0113s\u0101t, izlikt zili dzeltenu lent\u012bti, iz\u0161\u016btu kreklu, zili dzeltenu vainagu\u2026 Jebk\u0101da ar Ukrainu saist\u012bta lieta var\u0113ja beigties ar\u2026 Vi\u0146i var\u0113ja vienk\u0101r\u0161i izvilkt cilv\u0113kus no automa\u0161\u012bn\u0101m, vai ar\u012b tie bija pagrabi…<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Tie\u0161i t\u0101 notika ar v\u012brieti no Dru\u017ekovkas, kur\u0161 izn\u0101ca ar karogu, un vi\u0146a pa\u0161a kaimi\u0146i nekav\u0113joties nodeva vi\u0146u un aizs\u016bt\u012bja uz pagrabu. T\u0101pat k\u0101 tas notika Kramatorsk\u0101 ar Stepanu \u010cer\u0146enko, kuru izs\u0113din\u0101ja no vilciena, kad vi\u0146\u0161 brauca uz Kramatorsku. Vi\u0146i vi\u0146u satv\u0113ra aiz Karpatu futbola komandas zili dzelten\u0101s \u0161alles. Vi\u0146i vi\u0146u sas\u0113ja, m\u0113\u0123inot pierun\u0101t pievienoties DNR. Vi\u0146\u0161 nepadev\u0101s, un vi\u0146i vi\u0146u par to no\u0161\u0101va. Uzlika vi\u0146am maisu uz galvas un no\u0161\u0101va. Tas pats notika ar mums – m\u0113s ar v\u012bru brauc\u0101m cauri Doneckai. Sita m\u016bs, m\u016bsu automa\u0161\u012bnu, un br\u012bnumain\u0101 k\u0101rt\u0101 m\u0113s izdz\u012bvoj\u0101m. Vi\u0146i grib\u0113ja m\u016bs nolin\u010dot. Bet toreiz m\u016bs izgl\u0101ba policija. Tas viss t\u0101p\u0113c, ka mums bija mazs Ukrainas karogs. Tik b\u012bstami bija izr\u0101d\u012bt savu m\u012blest\u012bbu pret Ukrainu… Bet Luhanskas apgabal\u0101 bija ciemati, kur vi\u0146i padzina \u0161os kaujiniekus, ne\u013c\u0101va vi\u0146iem iebraukt vai izveidot kontrolpunktus. Sp\u0113ks uzvar. \u0160\u0101di gad\u012bjumi bija, bet tie bija reti, un tie ne vienm\u0113r beidz\u0101s labi.<\/p>\n

Latvij\u0101 joproj\u0101m da\u017ereiz atrodam karogus, kas okup\u0101cijas laik\u0101 bija pasl\u0113pti m\u0101j\u0101s vai cit\u0101s viet\u0101s. Vai j\u016bs dom\u0101jat, ka cilv\u0113ki Ukrainas okup\u0113taj\u0101s teritorij\u0101s ar\u012b sl\u0113pj Ukrainas karogus, lai tos neatrastu?<\/p>\n

J\u0101, piln\u012bgi noteikti t\u0101 notiek. Kad m\u0113s brauc\u0101m prom okup\u0101cijas laik\u0101 2014. gad\u0101, kad tur uztur\u0113ties k\u013cuva b\u012bstami, m\u0113s burtiski atst\u0101j\u0101m Bahmutas pils\u0113tu divas ned\u0113\u013cas pirms atbr\u012bvo\u0161anas 2014. gad\u0101. Es pa\u0146\u0113mu un nosl\u0113pu karogu zem dr\u0113b\u0113m, jo zin\u0101ju, ka, ja vi\u0146i to atrad\u012bs, vi\u0146i m\u016bs nelaid\u012bs dz\u012bvus \u0101r\u0101, vai ar\u012b nos\u016bt\u012bs m\u016bs uz pagrabu, vai var notikt jebkas cits. Es zinu, ka tagad sieviete, kura beidzot ir izb\u0113gusi no \u0160\u010dastjas pils\u0113tas Luhanskas apgabal\u0101 p\u0113c tr\u012bsarpus okup\u0101cijas gadiem, vi\u0146a var\u0113ja aizbraukt, bet nevar\u0113ja pa\u0146emt ne karogu, kuru es vi\u0146ai uz\u0161uvu, ne vi\u0161ivanku. Vi\u0146a visu sl\u0113pa, jo vi\u0146i n\u0101ca pie vi\u0146as. Vi\u0146i n\u0101ca pie vi\u0146as apm\u0113ram desmit reizes, sp\u012bdzin\u0101ja vi\u0146u, un, ja vi\u0146i b\u016btu atradu\u0161i vi\u0146ai karogu un vi\u0161ivanku, dz\u012bva vi\u0146a no turienes \u0101r\u0101 netiktu.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelinas<\/p>\n

Angelinas izgatavots karogs pie vi\u0146as m\u0101jas Ukrainas karoga dien\u0101<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

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T\u0101pat k\u0101 cilv\u0113ki no Hersonas, mani draugi. Vi\u0146i tie\u0161\u0101m sl\u0113pa karogus, sl\u0113pa pazem\u0113, vi\u0146i tos sl\u0113pa burk\u0101s, vi\u0146i tos apraka k\u0101dos t\u0101los nost\u016bros, tikai lai tos neatrastu.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

J\u016bs ziniet un m\u0113s zin\u0101m, kas ir krievu okup\u0101cija. Te nav runa par zemi. N\u0113, vi\u0146iem ir svar\u012bgi, lai neb\u016btu nek\u0101 ukrainiska, neb\u016btu Ukrainas, neb\u016btu ukrai\u0146u un neb\u016btu nek\u0101, kas atg\u0101din\u0101tu Ukrainu.<\/p>\n

Un tas dro\u0161i vien kaut k\u0101d\u0101 veid\u0101 ar\u012b mor\u0101li pal\u012bdz cilv\u0113kiem okup\u0101cij\u0101 \u0161o laiku p\u0101rdz\u012bvot. Tas, ka vi\u0146iem joproj\u0101m ir \u0161\u0101ds simbols, lai gan okupanti v\u0113las, lai visur b\u016btu Krievija?<\/p>\n

Piln\u012bgi noteikti. Kad Bahmuta un Kramatorska tika atbr\u012bvotas 2014. gad\u0101, pirmais, ko es izdar\u012bju \u2013 es uzvilku vi\u0161ivanku. Man ir t\u0101da, ko man iz\u0161uva m\u0101te. Tas bija 2014. gad\u0101, un tas pat nebija mod\u0113. Man jau bija vi\u0161ivankas, ko mamma iz\u0161uva, kad man bija 11 gadi. Es v\u0113l\u0113jos to uzvilkt un iziet \u0101r\u0101. Jo tas ir tie\u0161i tas, ko krievi mums at\u0146em – fiziski izn\u012bcina tikai t\u0101p\u0113c, ka m\u0113s esam ukrai\u0146i. Tas ir tas, kas vi\u0146us uztur, tas vi\u0146iem pal\u012bdz. Karogs ir kaut kas netverams, bet tas ir tas, kas uztur c\u012bn\u012bt\u0101ja garu. Jo 2014. gad\u0101, kad vi\u0146i okup\u0113ja Slovjansku, Kramatorsku, Bahmutu, m\u0113s brauc\u0101m gar\u0101m m\u016bsu karav\u012bru kontrolpunktiem, kuri p\u0113c atbr\u012bvo\u0161anas tikko bija izveidoti uz ce\u013ciem. Un lai cik daudz p\u0101rtikas, p\u012br\u0101gu, \u016bdens un citu labumu m\u0113s tur nevestu, kad es vi\u0146iem teicu – es uz\u0161uvu karogus, man ir karogs -, vi\u0146u acis vienk\u0101r\u0161i iemirdz\u0113j\u0101s. Vi\u0146i teica: “Dodiet mums, v\u0113l un v\u0113l. Tas ir m\u016bsu, tas ir kaut kas, ko neviens mums nekad neat\u0146ems.”<\/p>\n

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\"Angelinas<\/p>\n

Angelinas \u0161\u016bts 9x6m karogs, ko vi\u0146a ziedoja Kramatorskas iedz\u012bvot\u0101jiem 2017.gad\u0101. Kop\u0161 t\u0101 laika tas izmantots visos pils\u0113tas svin\u012bgajos g\u0101jienos<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Vair\u0101k\u0101s valst\u012bs, kas atbalsta Ukrainu, Ukrainas karogus var redz\u0113t daudzviet. Tie ir atrodami ar\u012b daudzviet Latvij\u0101. Ko j\u016bs par to dom\u0101jat? Vai ukrai\u0146iem tas ir svar\u012bgi?<\/p>\n

Ziniet, esmu tik pateic\u012bga par visas pasaules atbalstu. Esmu tik pateic\u012bga Baltijas valst\u012bm, Latvijai, Lietuvai, Igaunijai. \u012apa\u0161i jums. J\u016bs zin\u0101t, kas ir krievi, zin\u0101t, kas bija Padomju Savien\u012bba. J\u016bs pa\u0161i to p\u0101rdz\u012bvoj\u0101t. Jums dro\u0161i vien v\u0113sturiski bija liel\u0101ks gribassp\u0113ks, ka j\u016bs sp\u0113j\u0101t atdal\u012bties no Padomju Savien\u012bbas ilgi pirms mums. Tas, ka j\u016bs m\u016bs atbalst\u0101t, tas, ka j\u016bs izkarat karogus, tas, ka j\u016bs dodaties m\u012bti\u0146os ar m\u016bsu karogu, tas tie\u0161\u0101m sniedz mums mor\u0101lu atbalstu. M\u0113s saprotam, ka \u0161aj\u0101 c\u012b\u0146\u0101 neesam vieni. Pati esmu \u0161uvusi karogus daudz\u0101m valst\u012bm. Sp\u0101nij\u0101 ir \u0160ev\u010denko piemineklis, un vi\u0146i l\u016bdza mani uz\u0161\u016bt lielu karogu. Vi\u0146i to pac\u0113la k\u0101d\u0101 Sp\u0101nijas pils\u0113t\u0101. Karogi ir ar\u012b V\u0101cij\u0101, Francij\u0101 un daudz\u0101s cit\u0101s valst\u012bs. Kop\u0161 2014. gada, kop\u0161 kara pirmaj\u0101m dien\u0101m, lai kur m\u0113s dotos, man vienm\u0113r l\u012bdzi ir karogs, un es to d\u0101vinu. Visi to pie\u0146em ar pateic\u012bbu. Nekad nav bijis neviena cilv\u0113ka, kur\u0161 teiktu: “Man vienalga, kas t\u0101 par valsti.” Un visi pau\u017e atbalstu, jo es vienm\u0113r pasniedzu karogu ar v\u0101rdiem, ar skaidrojumu par to, kas notiek Ukrain\u0101. Katrs karogs, kas kaut kur ir izk\u0101rts vai aiznests uz protestu kaut kur, mums ir milz\u012bgs atbalsts. Un es izsaku dzi\u013cu pateic\u012bbu par \u0161o atbalstu.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelina<\/p>\n

Angelina ar t\u0101 br\u012b\u017ea Ukrainas prezidentu Poro\u0161enko, kuram vi\u0146a uzd\u0101vin\u0101ja savu karogu – 2019. gads, \u010casivjara, Donbas\u0101<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Ko esat nov\u0113rojusi, k\u0101 Ukrain\u0101 ir main\u012bjusies karoga lieto\u0161ana un attieksme pret to kop\u0161 kara s\u0101kuma vai kop\u0161 pilna m\u0113roga iebrukuma? Kaut vai tas, cik daudz tas tagad redzams iel\u0101s?<\/p>\n

Ziniet, es neteiktu, ka attieksme ir main\u012bjusies uz slikto pusi. Noteikti n\u0113. Tik, cik tie bija, tik ar\u012b tie joproj\u0101m ir. Liel\u0101kajai da\u013cai no mums ir karogs. M\u0113s to n\u0113s\u0101jam m\u012bti\u0146os, sv\u0113tku dien\u0101s. Piem\u0113ram, Neatkar\u012bbas dien\u0101, kad visa valsts ir zil\u0101 un dzelten\u0101 kr\u0101s\u0101. Es neteiktu, ka to ir k\u013cuvis maz\u0101k. Ir vair\u0101k. M\u0113s to m\u012blam, m\u0113s mekl\u0113jam \u0161\u012bs kr\u0101sas, it \u012bpa\u0161i \u0101rzem\u0113s. Zil\u0101 un dzelten\u0101 kr\u0101sa m\u016bs dara laim\u012bgus. Ukrai\u0146iem patriotisms joproj\u0101m ir kl\u0101teso\u0161s. Karogs un vald\u012bba ir divas da\u017e\u0101das lietas. Vald\u012bba k\u0101dam var b\u016bt laba, k\u0101dam t\u0101 var b\u016bt slikta, bet Ukraina ir t\u0101, kas ir sird\u012b. Kad tu saki: “Es lepojos, ka esmu ukrainis!” Protams, karogs ir neat\u0146emama \u0161\u012b lepnuma sast\u0101vda\u013ca.<\/p>\n

Katru gadu ar\u012b Ukrain\u0101 atz\u012bm\u0113 Valsts karoga dienu vai ne?<\/p>\n

J\u0101, 23. augusts.<\/p>\n

K\u0101 j\u016bs to svinat, ja svinat?<\/p>\n

Es person\u012bgi pirms \u0161\u012bs dienas \u0161uju karogus, jo cilv\u0113ki mani paz\u012bst visus \u0161os gadus, to, ka es tos \u0161uju ar dv\u0113seli. M\u0113s \u0161obr\u012bd \u012br\u0113jam dz\u012bvokli Kijiv\u0101. M\u0113s dz\u012bvojam pirmaj\u0101 st\u0101v\u0101, un mums ir karoga masts, kas ir ide\u0101li piem\u0113rots karogam. Nu, m\u0113s vienm\u0113r tur izkaram savu karogu. M\u0113s vienm\u0113r dodamies uz Maidanu ar k\u0101du simboliku. M\u016bsu \u0123imenei, piem\u0113ram, kad tiekamies ar draugiem, mums vienm\u0113r ir l\u012bdzi karogs. Valsts karoga diena kop\u0161 kara 2014. gad\u0101 ir k\u013cuvusi par m\u016bsu vienot\u012bbas sv\u0113tkiem, kad m\u0113s par\u0101d\u0101m, ka karogs nav tikai divas kr\u0101sas, ne tikai pusotrs reiz divi metri auduma \u2014 tas ir m\u016bsu simbols.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelina<\/p>\n

Angelina \u0161uj karogu sava dz\u012bvok\u013ca virtuv\u0113 Bahmut\u0101<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Un k\u0101 tas viss s\u0101k\u0101s? Cik saprotu, j\u016bs s\u0101k\u0101t pal\u012bdz\u0113t cilv\u0113kiem k\u0101 br\u012bvpr\u0101t\u012bg\u0101 pirms desmit gadiem. Tie\u0161i tad j\u016bs s\u0101k\u0101t \u0161\u016bt karogus?<\/p>\n

J\u0101, tie\u0161i t\u0101. Viss s\u0101k\u0101s dien\u0101, kad dev\u0101mies uz Donecku. M\u0113s grib\u0113j\u0101m pal\u012bdz\u0113t karav\u012bru brig\u0101dei, kas tur bija mart\u0101, t\u016bl\u012bt p\u0113c Maidana beig\u0101m. Pirmie kaujinieki pameta Maidanu, lai aizst\u0101v\u0113tu Ukrainu, dev\u0101s uz Donbasu to aizst\u0101v\u0113t. Un m\u0113s redz\u0113j\u0101m telev\u012bzij\u0101, ka vi\u0146iem ir probl\u0113mas ar p\u0101rtiku, \u016bdeni un kr\u0101jumiem. M\u0113s ar v\u012bru piekr\u0101v\u0101m automa\u0161\u012bnu ar p\u0101rtiku, \u016bdeni un cigaret\u0113m un dev\u0101mies pie vi\u0146iem ciemos, aiz Doneckas. Bet m\u0113s nokav\u0113j\u0101m vienu nakti. Vi\u0146i bija atk\u0101pu\u0161ies un izvietoju\u0161ies taj\u0101 nakt\u012b. Un m\u0113s brauc\u0101m cauri Doneckai, cauri laukumam, tie\u0161i gar\u0101m \u0161im \u013be\u0146ina piemineklim, kur pulc\u0113j\u0101s \u0161ie prokrieviskie cilv\u0113ki. Un m\u0113s uz loga, vad\u012bt\u0101ja pus\u0113, piek\u0101r\u0101m Eiropas Savien\u012bbas karogu, bet man\u0101 pus\u0113 – Ukrainas karogu. San\u0101ca t\u0101, ka m\u0113s nejau\u0161i pagriez\u0101mies un iebrauc\u0101m \u0161aj\u0101 p\u016bl\u012b, un vi\u0146i nekav\u0113joties nor\u0101va m\u016bsu Eiropas Savien\u012bbas karogu, b\u013caujot: “Ja v\u0113laties pievienoties Eiropas Savien\u012bbai, brauciet uz turieni. \u0160eit Eiropas Savien\u012bbas neb\u016bs!” Vi\u0146i satv\u0113ra manu karogu, no manas puses. Taj\u0101 br\u012bd\u012b m\u016bs ielenca apm\u0113ram 200 cilv\u0113ku. Vi\u0146i izsita m\u016bsu automa\u0161\u012bnas logu, un cilv\u0113ku p\u016blis s\u0101ka sist Andreju.<\/p>\n

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Tad es izk\u0101pu \u0101r\u0101, satv\u0113ru Andreju, satv\u0113ru policistu un teicu: “K\u0101 tas var notikt?” Es nesaprotu, k\u0101 Doneck\u0101, re\u0123iona centr\u0101, Eiropas centr\u0101, vi\u0146i m\u016bs sit Ukrainas karoga d\u0113\u013c.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Tad vi\u0146i mums sad\u016bra riepas, apsp\u013caud\u012bja, meta mums ar ol\u0101m, p\u016bta asaru g\u0101zi. BBC korespondents g\u0101ja gar\u0101m, kad dzird\u0113ja loga izsi\u0161anu, un s\u0101ka fotograf\u0113t. Tad \u0161\u012bs fotogr\u0101fijas aplidoja pa visu pasauli. Tas bija 30. marts. Vi\u0146i v\u0113l nebija pat ie\u0146\u0113mu\u0161i pils\u0113tas policijas iecirk\u0146us Kramatorsk\u0101 un Slovjansk\u0101. Jau tad bija t\u0101ds noska\u0146ojums. Vi\u0146i piespieda m\u016bs no\u0146emt visus simbolus – lent\u012bti pie spogu\u013ca, mazo karodzi\u0146u. Un tad, kad m\u0113s atst\u0101j\u0101m pils\u0113tas policijas iecirkni, nomain\u012bj\u0101m riepu un brauc\u0101m prom no Doneckas, m\u0113s atkal piel\u012bm\u0113j\u0101m karogu atpaka\u013c pie v\u0113jstikla. M\u0113s tik un t\u0101 brauc\u0101m ar karogu. Un p\u0113c tam m\u0113s ar Andreju saprat\u0101m, cik svar\u012bgs ir karogs. It \u012bpa\u0161i, kad k\u0101du dienu pamod\u0101mies, un no m\u016bsu loga mums bija \u013coti skaidrs skats uz pils\u0113tas rajona administr\u0101ciju, un m\u0113s vienm\u0113r var\u0113j\u0101m redz\u0113t tur eso\u0161o karogu. Un tad k\u0101du r\u012btu pamod\u0101mies, un tas vairs nebija Ukrainas karogs, tas bija DNR. Un m\u0113s saprat\u0101m, cik svar\u012bgs ir m\u016bsu karogs. Tad nopirk\u0101m 20 metrus dzeltena, 20 metrus zila, un es s\u0101ku \u0161\u016bt pirmos karogus. Un, kad m\u0113s tos atdev\u0101m karav\u012briem, tas bija tik daudz svar\u012bg\u0101k par p\u0101rtiku, par \u016bdeni\u2026 Vi\u0146iem tas bija svar\u012bgi apzi\u0146ai, ka \u0161eit, Bahmut\u0101, kur vi\u0146i atrodas, ne visi ir separ\u0101tisti. Ka ir cilv\u0113ki, kas m\u012bl Ukrainu un kas to aizst\u0101v\u0113s kop\u0101 ar vi\u0146iem. \u0160is simbols, kas n\u0101ca tie\u0161i no mums, vi\u0146iem bija \u013coti svar\u012bgs. Un es s\u0101ku \u0161\u016bt karogus. Es sapratu, ka tas nav maz\u0101k svar\u012bgi par visu p\u0101r\u0113jo. Un es uz\u0161uvu diezgan daudz balaklavu. Gatavoju \u013coti daudz \u0113dienu. V\u0113l\u0101k s\u0101ku iz\u0161\u016bt brig\u0101\u017eu nosaukumus un numurus uz karogiem. Milit\u0101rpersonas man teica, ka karogi, ko es nodevu un kurus uzlika uz vi\u0146u tehnikas, neviena tehnikas vien\u012bba necieta. Karogs to aizsarg\u0101ja. T\u0101 ir mana misija. T\u0101tad ener\u0123ija, ko es varu nodot kop\u0101 ar \u0161o karogu \u0161\u016b\u0161anu, l\u016bg\u0161an\u0101m un dom\u0101m\u2026 Ja tas darbojas, tad tas ir mans uzdevums.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelina<\/p>\n

Angelina ar karogu<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Cik daudz laika nepiecie\u0161ams, lai uz\u0161\u016btu vienu karogu, piem\u0113ram, es nezinu, standarta izm\u0113ru?<\/p>\n

Cilv\u0113ki bie\u017ei uzdod \u0161o jaut\u0101jumu, bie\u017ei jaut\u0101, k\u0101 es uz\u0161uvu 20 x 6 metrus lielu karogu, ko palaid\u0101m debes\u012bs… Es t\u0101 nevaru pateikt. Tas prasa laiku, tas viss ir j\u0101sagrie\u017e. Starp citiem darbiem es \u0161uju ar\u012b spilvenus milit\u0101raj\u0101 hospit\u0101l\u012b. Es nevaru pateikt, cik daudz. Es varu teikt, ka es tos \u0161uju daudz. Jau p\u0101rtraucu tos skait\u012bt. Kad m\u0113s p\u0101rc\u0113l\u0101mies, atst\u0101j\u0101m Bahmutu, man tur bija piez\u012bmju gr\u0101mati\u0146a, kur\u0101 es pierakst\u012bju. Bet m\u0113s aizbrauc\u0101m no turienes, t\u0101 palika tur. Es vienk\u0101r\u0161i p\u0101rtraucu pierakst\u012bt. Bet es teik\u0161u t\u0101: tie ir vair\u0101ki futbola laukumi, vismaz divi futbola laukumi. Laika zi\u0146\u0101 tas ir da\u017e\u0101di. Jo viss process nav tikai viena karogu uz\u0161\u016b\u0161ana, tas vienm\u0113r tiek sadal\u012bts k\u0101dos desmit karogos un tad tiek sa\u0161\u016bts.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Vair\u0101k par t\u016bkstoti?<\/p>\n

Vair\u0101k nek\u0101 1000, protams. Un, k\u0101 es saku, tas nav tikai metrs reiz pusotrs. Uz tehnikas ir daudz garu karogu. Jo 2014. gad\u0101 bija nepiecie\u0161ams, lai karav\u012bri at\u0161\u0137irtu sav\u0113jos no krieviem. Ja uz transportl\u012bdzek\u013ca nav karoga, nevar pateikt, vai tas ir m\u016bsu. Ir ar\u012b lielie karogi, kas palaisti debes\u012bs, un karogi, kuru izm\u0113rs ir 4,5 x 3. Daudzi no tiem aizce\u013coja uz pas\u0101kumiem \u0101rzem\u0113s. Man tikai s\u016bta fotogr\u0101fijas – j\u016bsu karogs bija tur un tur\u2026<\/p>\n

Es saprotu, ka jums ir da\u017ei ieraksti rekordu gr\u0101mat\u0101\u2026 Varb\u016bt j\u016bs var\u0113tu past\u0101st\u012bt s\u012bk\u0101k?<\/p>\n

Man ir tr\u012bs ieraksti Ukrainas rekordu gr\u0101mat\u0101. Pirmais ieraksts bija zili dzeltenas bizes, l\u012bdz\u012bgas rokasspr\u0101dz\u0113m. J\u016bs dro\u0161i vien esat t\u0101s kaut kur redz\u0113ju\u0161i, varb\u016bt pat kaut kur Latvij\u0101. Es izveidoju vienu milz\u012bgu 27 metrus garu bizi no vair\u0101k\u0101m maz\u0101m. Uz katras bizes es uzrakst\u012bju \u0160ev\u010denko dzejoli. Otrais ieraksts bija 2017. -2016. gad\u0101. Es uz\u0161uvu 4,5 x 3 metru karogu, uz kura lieliem burtiem uz\u0161uvu Konstit\u016bcijas 5.pantu, ka vara valst\u012b pieder cilv\u0113kiem. V\u0113l\u0101k tas tika novietots Bahmutas r\u0101tsnama vestibil\u0101. Tas burtiski aiz\u0146\u0113ma visu sienu un lieliski tur ieder\u0113j\u0101s. Un tre\u0161ais rekords – es uz\u0161uvu 20 x 9 metrus lielu karogu, kam bija cilpas, kur m\u0113s p\u0113c tam piestiprin\u0101j\u0101m milz\u012bgus ar h\u0113liju pild\u012btus balonus, lai to paceltu debes\u012bs. Tas ir \u012bpa\u0161s t\u0101d\u0113\u013c, ka tas tika palaists debes\u012bs virs okup\u0113t\u0101s teritorijas. M\u0113s to palaid\u0101m no Avdijivkas, un naudu tam sav\u0101ca cilv\u0113ki no okup\u0113taj\u0101m teritorij\u0101m. Vi\u0146i bija tie, kas p\u0101rskait\u012bja l\u012bdzek\u013cus \u0161\u012b pas\u0101kuma organizatoriem. Cilv\u0113kiem bija svar\u012bgi redz\u0113t m\u016bsu zili dzelteno karogu debes\u012bs. Bija svar\u012bgi zin\u0101t, ka vi\u0146i nav aizmirsti, ka Ukraina vi\u0146us atceras, ka vi\u0146i paliks ukrai\u0146i. Tie ir tr\u012bs rekordi, no kuriem divi bija saist\u012bti ar karogiem.<\/p>\n

Tagad j\u016bs \u0161ujat karogus ar\u012b kritu\u0161ajiem.<\/p>\n

J\u0101, ar\u012b tiem, kas atdeva savas dz\u012bv\u012bbas par Ukrainu. Da\u017ereiz cilv\u0113ki man p\u0101rskaita naudu, bet es to daru bez maksas. Tiem, kas dodas uz kaps\u0113tu, pie pieminek\u013ca…\u00a0 Audumam j\u0101b\u016bt iztur\u012bgam, \u0161uv\u0113m j\u0101b\u016bt iztur\u012bg\u0101m. Es to \u0161uju un nododu t\u0101l\u0101k ar pateic\u012bbu par Ukrainas aizst\u0101v\u0113\u0161anu. Es zinu, k\u0101 tas ir. Mans d\u0113ls tagad ir smagi ievainots armij\u0101, vi\u0146\u0161 atvese\u013cojas. Mans v\u012brs Andrejs ar\u012b dien\u0113ja armij\u0101 asto\u0146us ar pusi m\u0113ne\u0161us, p\u0113c tam tika atva\u013cin\u0101ts rezerv\u0113. Es zinu \u0161o karu no iek\u0161ienes, zinu no savas pieredzes. Zinu, cik s\u0101p\u012bgi tas ir radiniekiem un cik svar\u012bgi tas vi\u0146iem ir. T\u0101das atmi\u0146as un pateic\u012bba.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelina<\/p>\n

Angelina ar v\u012bru Andreju un d\u0113lu Mihailu vi\u0146a rehabilit\u0101cijas laik\u0101 p\u0113c ievainojuma<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Bahmuta ir praktiski nol\u012bdzin\u0101ta l\u012bdz ar zemi. Vai j\u016bs zin\u0101t, kas notika ar j\u016bsu m\u0101ju Bahmut\u0101 un kas notiek Kramatorsk\u0101?<\/p>\n

Internet\u0101 tagad ir video no Bahmutas, no ienaidnieka kamer\u0101m, kur\u0101s redzams, k\u0101 vi\u0146i brauk\u0101 pa pils\u0113tu. Da\u017ereiz tur redzama m\u016bsu m\u0101ja. Pa\u0161\u0101 s\u0101kum\u0101, kad v\u0113l bija “karst\u0101 f\u0101ze”, ar\u012b uz m\u016bsu balkona atlidoja l\u0101di\u0146\u0161. M\u0113s bij\u0101m otraj\u0101 st\u0101v\u0101, un tur bija ugunsgr\u0113ks. Kaimi\u0146i nodz\u0113sa. \u012as\u0101k sakot, m\u0101ja ir piln\u012bgi neapdz\u012bvojama. T\u0101 nav piln\u012bb\u0101 sagrauta, bet t\u0101 ir izn\u012bcin\u0101ta. M\u0113s ar v\u012bru esam vienispr\u0101tis, kaut lai ra\u0137ete tr\u0101pa m\u016bsu m\u0101jai un t\u0101 piln\u012bb\u0101 sabruktu, ka tikai neviens krievu iebruc\u0113js nevar\u0113tu tur iek\u013c\u016bt vai pieskarties nevienai lietai. Tur viss ir patriotisks. Viss m\u016bsu dz\u012bvoklis ir patriotisks. Kad m\u0113s aizbrauc\u0101m, m\u0113s nedom\u0101j\u0101m, ka tas b\u016bs tik nopietni, t\u0101, ka m\u0113s visu zaud\u0113sim. M\u0113s pa\u0146\u0113m\u0101m l\u012bdzi tikai pa\u0161u nepiecie\u0161am\u0101ko. Es pa\u0146\u0113mu pa\u0161u svar\u012bg\u0101ko: vienu \u0161ujma\u0161\u012bnu, fotogr\u0101fijas un savas ikonas. Tas ar\u012b viss. Aizved\u0101m m\u0101tei uz Kramatorsku. T\u0101tad, viss tur jau ir zaud\u0113ts. Un mums j\u0101saprot, ka pat tad, ja Bahmuta dr\u012bz tiks atbr\u012bvota, m\u012bnu izn\u012bcin\u0101\u0161ana pras\u012bs gadu desmitus, jo viss tur ir vienk\u0101r\u0161i nom\u0113t\u0101ts ar \u0161\u0101vi\u0146iem un m\u012bn\u0101m.<\/p>\n

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God\u012bgi sakot, m\u0113s nezin\u0101m, vai m\u016bsu dz\u012bves laik\u0101 var\u0113sim atgriezties sav\u0101 dz\u012bvokl\u012b Bahmut\u0101.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Dz\u012bvoklis Kramatorsk\u0101, paldies Dievam, \u0161obr\u012bd ir neskarts. Net\u0101lu tur kaut kas atlido. Kramatorska ir mana dzimt\u0101 pils\u0113ta. Esmu Kramatorskas pils\u0113tas domes locekle. Tas man ir s\u0101p\u012bgi. Es tur neesmu, bet reiz\u0113 esmu. Mana kl\u0101tb\u016btne tur tikai trauc\u0113s karav\u012briem. Nedod Dievs, mani ievainos. Vi\u0146i v\u0113l izt\u0113r\u0113s savu turniketu, t\u0101 viet\u0101, es varu nodro\u0161in\u0101t sev un v\u012bram dro\u0161\u012bbu. Manai m\u0101tei dr\u012bz b\u016bs 82 gadi. Dz\u012bvoklis ir tikai sienas, bet t\u0101s ir sienas, kas cilv\u0113kiem dod dro\u0161\u012bbas un p\u0101rliec\u012bbas saj\u016btu. Tagad m\u0113s esam k\u0101 pamesti. M\u0113s esam p\u0101rvietot\u0101s personas, kur\u0101m nav naudas, nav m\u0101jok\u013ca un nav n\u0101kotnes. J\u016bs nesaprotat, k\u0101 turpin\u0101t dz\u012bvot. Kur\u0161 var \u012br\u0113t dz\u012bvokli, tam ir paveicies, ka ir nauda, \u200b\u200bbet daudzi nevar. Piem\u0113ram, nav darba, nav iesp\u0113ju \u012br\u0113t. Un vi\u0146i diem\u017e\u0113l atgrie\u017eas okup\u0113taj\u0101s teritorij\u0101s, kuras p\u0113c tam atkal ap\u0161auda, un milit\u0101rpersonas vi\u0146us gl\u0101bj. Ziniet, tas ir k\u0101 apburtais loks, k\u0101 rulete. Iedz\u012bvot\u0101ju skaits k\u013c\u016bst arvien maz\u0101ks.<\/p>\n

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\"Angelina<\/p>\n

Angelina Bahmut\u0101 pirms kara<\/p>\n

Foto: no priv\u0101t\u0101 arh\u012bva<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Un k\u0101ds ir j\u016bsu viedoklis? K\u0101ds ir noska\u0146ojums j\u016bsu \u0123imen\u0113, kad m\u0113s run\u0101jam par to, kad un k\u0101 \u0161is kar\u0161 var\u0113tu beigties? Ko j\u016bs dom\u0101jat?<\/p>\n

Teiksim t\u0101, m\u016bsu d\u0113ls karo kop\u0161 pirm\u0101s pilna m\u0113roga iebrukuma dienas. Mans v\u012brs iest\u0101j\u0101s armij\u0101 tr\u012bs m\u0113ne\u0161us p\u0113c pilna m\u0113roga iebrukuma. Mans d\u0113ls tika ievainots Ukrainas aizst\u0101v\u0113\u0161anas laik\u0101\u2026 Un vienk\u0101r\u0161i atdot un pateikt: “Labi, sav\u0101ciet…” N\u0113, m\u0113s zaud\u0113j\u0101m visu. M\u0113s neupur\u0113j\u0101m tik daudz dz\u012bv\u012bbu tikai t\u0101p\u0113c, lai atdotu. Mans d\u0113ls, k\u0101 cilv\u0113ks, kur\u0161 ir armij\u0101, vi\u0146\u0161 ies l\u012bdz galam. Es ar\u012b uzskatu, ka mums ir j\u0101c\u012bn\u0101s l\u012bdz uzvarai. Jo jebkur\u0161 pamiers, jebkura atelpa dos Putinam iesp\u0113ju uzkr\u0101t sp\u0113kus un uzbrukt ar v\u0113l liel\u0101ku sp\u0113ku. It \u012bpa\u0161i t\u0101p\u0113c, ka vi\u0146\u0161 jau uz to t\u0113m\u0113, to var just, dro\u0161i vien ar\u012b j\u016bs to jau varat just. T\u0101p\u0113c m\u0113s esam ap\u0146\u0113m\u012bbas pilni uzvar\u0113t.<\/p>\n

Paldies par interviju!<\/p>\n

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