Ukraine’s path to the European Union won’t be easy, but Kyiv believes Europe’s long-term security depends on bringing Ukraine into the bloc. For years, Ukraine’s ambitions to join the European Union faced political resistance from leaders like Hungary’s Viktor Orbán. But with that obstacle diminished, Kyiv believes the conversation has fundamentally changed: not because membership has become easier, but because the war has made Ukraine’s place in Europe harder to ignore. In this conversation with Ian Bremmer, former Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba argues that Ukraine’s integration into Europe is already underway. While acknowledging that difficult negotiations and political hurdles still lie ahead, he says the logic behind EU membership is no longer just economic or political – it’s strategic. Kuleba explains why he believes Europe cannot be truly secure without Ukraine, and why the continent’s future security architecture will increasingly depend on integrating Ukraine into its institutions. GZERO Media, a Eurasia Group company, is a multimedia publisher providing news, insights, and commentary on the events shaping our world. Our properties include GZERO World with Ian Bremmer, our weekly show on US public television; our newsletters GZERO Daily, GZERO AI, GZERO North, and GZERO Daily with Ian Bremmer; our parody series Puppet Regime; our digital video series including Ian Bremmer’s Quick Take every week; and the GZERO World Podcast. Our content is free and available at https://www.gzeromedia.com/.