{"id":241387,"date":"2025-07-06T00:27:16","date_gmt":"2025-07-06T00:27:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/241387\/"},"modified":"2025-07-06T00:27:16","modified_gmt":"2025-07-06T00:27:16","slug":"ni-communities-minister-attacks-shameful-welfare-reform-plans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/241387\/","title":{"rendered":"NI Communities Minister attacks \u2018shameful\u2019 welfare reform plans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Your support helps us to tell the story<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 cKWiEj\">From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The Independent is on the ground when the story is developing. Whether it&#8217;s investigating the financials of Elon Musk&#8217;s pro-Trump PAC or producing our latest documentary, &#8216;The A Word&#8217;, which shines a light on the American women fighting for reproductive rights, we know how important it is to parse out the facts from the messaging.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 cKWiEj\">At such a critical moment in US history, we need reporters on the ground. Your donation allows us to keep sending journalists to speak to both sides of the story.<\/p>\n<p class=\"sc-1uza6dc-0 cKWiEj\">The Independent is trusted by Americans across the entire political spectrum. And unlike many other quality news outlets, we choose not to lock Americans out of our reporting and analysis with paywalls. We believe quality journalism should be available to everyone, paid for by those who can afford it.<\/p>\n<p><strong class=\"sc-1uza6dc-1 huxBsk\">Your support makes all the difference.<\/strong>Read more<\/p>\n<p>The Government\u2019s \u201cshameful\u201d welfare reform plans will end up increasing the social security bill in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/northern-ireland\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Northern Ireland<\/a> rather than generating any savings, the Communities Minister has said.<\/p>\n<p>Gordon Lyons said the Labour <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/government\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Government<\/a> had made an \u201cincredible mess\u201d of its welfare reform agenda.<\/p>\n<p>On a separate issue related to the benefits system, Mr Lyons said he had received confirmation from the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/treasury\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Treasury<\/a> that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/stormont\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stormont<\/a> could potentially share in savings achieved by any Stormont-devised plan to target fraud around benefit payments in Northern Ireland.<\/p>\n<p>The minister said he would now proceed with a business case on a fraud prevention plan with the hope of getting it on the agenda of the Executive for consideration.<\/p>\n<p>At an appearance before his Assembly scrutiny committee, the minister also said that the Government\u2019s U-turn on eligibility for winter fuel payments for pensioners would result in 86% of pensioners in Northern Ireland (288,000) receiving the payment this coming winter \u2013 a proportion higher than the UK average of 80%.<\/p>\n<p>Facing questions from MLAs at Stormont on Thursday, Mr Lyons also defended his own department\u2019s recently published draft poverty strategy, a document that has faced criticism from several community and civic society organisations.<\/p>\n<p>The DUP minister\u2019s appearance came days after the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/topic\/uk-government\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">UK Government<\/a> was forced into a late climbdown on a central plank of its welfare reform agenda in a bid to avert a major backbench rebellion.<\/p>\n<p>In a late concession on Tuesday, only 90 minutes before MPs were to vote on the Bill, ministers shelved plans to restrict eligibility for the personal independence payment (Pip), with any changes now only coming after a review of the benefit.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Lyons was scathing of the Government\u2019s approach while giving evidence to the committee.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it is important that I place on record just how appalled I am by this Labour Government and how they have conducted themselves over the last number of months,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI believe their approach has been shameful. I believe that it has caused significant stress for many in our society, even those who I believe would never have been affected by the changes that have been proposed and those that perhaps would have been.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt has caused a huge amount of stress.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The minister added: \u201cWe\u2019re at very early stages of assessment, but we believe ultimately that it will end up costing, it will not create any saving at all in Northern Ireland.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo, I think that that has been an incredible mess, they\u2019ve made a real hames of it, if I\u2019m being honest.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>On the winter fuel payments, Mr Lyons said: \u201cThere are 336,000 pensioners in Northern Ireland and HMRC are now estimating that 86% or 288,000 will receive the winter fuel payment in 25\/26 because they have an income of less than \u00a335,000.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTwenty per cent will not receive it in the UK as a whole, that is only 14% in Northern Ireland. Again, another mess by this Government. It was inevitable that they would have had to have changed course.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The minister said he had received confirmation on Thursday that Northern Ireland could potentially have a share of savings generated by any welfare fraud measures taken by the Executive.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf there are savings through us tackling welfare fraud and error that are certified by the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Treasury will consider providing for us a share of those savings,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd those savings are massive.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA very, very small amount of money that we put in (to introduce fraud prevention measures) and you can get incredible savings from those.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo that could be a net benefit to Northern Ireland. We will be progressing that business case.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have a paper with the Executive. I hope it will get on the agenda, because I think that could be very, very important.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mr Lyons faced several questions on his draft anti-poverty strategy.<\/p>\n<p>The minister said he respected those who had criticised it, but made clear he did not agree with several of the claims that had been made about the plan lacking ambition and targets.<\/p>\n<p>He said he remained open during the public consultation phase to listening to alternative proposals.<\/p>\n<p>SDLP MLA Daniel McCrossan put it to the minister that Sinn Fein First Minister Michelle O\u2019Neill had appeared to distance herself from his proposed strategy.<\/p>\n<p>Mr Lyons said he never encountered any \u201cpush back\u201d from Executive colleagues when the draft proposals were presented to ministerial colleagues for consideration.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it\u2019s safe to say there was not a lengthy debate around this issue, and I certainly left that Executive meeting believing there was good consensus on the way forward, and that we were open to consultation on this and to listening to what people had to say, and that there was broad agreement on what we had in front of us,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI listen to what others have to say. I will do that through the consultation period, but I was not getting push-back at all within the Executive and I believe that there was good unity among Executive colleagues.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI understand people can come under a bit of pressure, and they can change their positions, or they want to be seen to be on the right side, but I\u2019ve taken on board all of the criticisms that have been made of this, and we will certainly listen to those.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI believe a lot of those don\u2019t have a basis in reality.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI hope I\u2019ve explained and I\u2019ve reassured the committee today about the approach that I am taking.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut if anybody inside or outside the Executive have changes that they want to make to that that they haven\u2019t expressed to me so far, I\u2019m open to listening to those, but I hope that they will also be willing to provide the funding that is necessary if it comes at an additional cost as well.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Your support helps us to tell the story From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":241388,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5011],"tags":[1144,16,15],"class_list":{"0":"post-241387","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-northern-ireland","8":"tag-northern-ireland","9":"tag-uk","10":"tag-united-kingdom"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/114803457644200519","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/241387","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=241387"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/241387\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/241388"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=241387"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=241387"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=241387"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}