{"id":268055,"date":"2025-07-17T01:29:10","date_gmt":"2025-07-17T01:29:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/268055\/"},"modified":"2025-07-17T01:29:10","modified_gmt":"2025-07-17T01:29:10","slug":"openai-seems-a-bit-unorganized-chaotic-in-ex-staffer-blog-the-register","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/268055\/","title":{"rendered":"OpenAI seems a bit unorganized, chaotic, in ex-staffer blog \u2022 The Register"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thank heavens for former OpenAI engineers inspired to blog about their time at the famously secretive firm, for without them we would have no idea what a wild mess it is in there.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Calvin French-Owen, who spent a year at OpenAI working on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2021\/08\/16\/in_brief_ai\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Codex<\/a> until leaving in June, didn&#8217;t speak ill of his former employer in the post, noting he might even want to return eventually. However, he nonetheless <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/calv.info\/openai-reflections\">pointed out<\/a> some chaotic startup-like activity at the company, even though it&#8217;s now got more than 3,000 employees, he blogged.<\/p>\n<p>Take, for example, day-to-day operations. According to French-Owen, the company&#8217;s strong bias to action means engineers &#8220;can just do things,&#8221; starting projects willy-nilly without any broader oversight or planning until efforts bump into each other.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It wasn&#8217;t unusual for similar teams but unrelated teams to converge on various ideas,&#8221; French-Owen wrote in a July 15 blog post. &#8220;Efforts are usually taken by a small handful of individuals without asking permission. Teams tend to quickly form around them as they show promise.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>That structure, according to French-Owen, makes OpenAI more like a government research operation like Los Alamos, with people working on their own projects to see what sticks, rather than being a single monolithic company working toward a single profit-driven objective.\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote\">\n<p>OpenAI is incredibly bottoms-up, especially in research<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;OpenAI is incredibly bottoms-up, especially in research,&#8221; French-Owen said. &#8220;Rather than a grand &#8216;master plan&#8217;, progress is iterative and uncovered as new research bears fruit.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, French-Owen also noted that OpenAI is a &#8220;frighteningly ambitious,&#8221; &#8220;very secretive&#8221; organization that &#8220;changes direction on a dime&#8221; and where &#8220;everything is measured in terms of &#8216;pro subs'&#8221; &#8211; not exactly the same sort of environment as a publicly-funded research lab, and that&#8217;s before tossing in the attached <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2025\/05\/05\/openai_keep_nonprofit_in_charge\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">for-profit arm<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Even for a product like Codex, we thought of the onboarding primarily related to individual usage rather than teams,&#8221; French-Owen explained. If that&#8217;s true of the general philosophy at OpenAI, it would suggest the company is more concerned with user-facing growth than enterprise sales &#8211; suggesting, again, that OpenAI believes its technology is more likely to <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2025\/05\/25\/ai_is_a_consumer_technology\/\">take off from the bottom-up<\/a> within companies than be imposed via top-down mandates. OpenAI didn&#8217;t respond to our questions, and to quote French-Owen&#8217;s own writing about the company, company direction changes on a dime. In other words, we&#8217;re not assuming anything.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>All in all, French-Owen paints a picture of a company that&#8217;s grown so fast it&#8217;s made a bit of a mess.\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote\">\n<p>Everything breaks when you scale that quickly<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;When I joined, the company was a little over 1,000 people. One year later, it is over 3,000 and I was in the top 30 percent by tenure,&#8221; French-Owen wrote in his post. &#8220;Everything breaks when you scale that quickly.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He noted that communication, reporting structures, hiring &#8211; all of it gets out of sync when there are so many teams growing in so many different directions.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Rather than having some central architecture or planning committee, decisions are typically made by whichever team plans to do the work,&#8221; French-Owen said. &#8220;The result is that there&#8217;s a strong bias for action, and often a number of duplicate parts of the codebase.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Other interesting insights<\/p>\n<p>The boiling turmoil under the OpenAI hood is bad enough, but it&#8217;s not the only insight French-Owen shared.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One (ultimately unsurprising) fact about OpenAI that the engineer shared was the company&#8217;s exclusive use of Azure for running &#8220;everything,&#8221; to quote the blog author &#8211; a fact he doesn&#8217;t seem crazy about.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no true equivalents of Dynamo, Spanner, Bigtable, Bigquery Kinesis or Aurora,&#8221; French-Owen said. &#8220;The [identity and access management] implementations tend to be way more limited than what you might get from an AWS, and there&#8217;s a strong bias to implement in-house.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That might change in the near future if <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2025\/07\/01\/openai_google_tpu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">recent<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2024\/07\/10\/microsoft_to_withdraw_from_openais\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">bumps<\/a> in the relationship between Microsoft and OpenAI are any indication. French-Owen left OpenAI in June.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote\">\n<p>Nearly everything is a rounding error compared to GPU cost<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The engineer also noted that &#8220;everything, and I mean everything runs on Slack,&#8221; and that he received only around 10 emails in his entire year at OpenAI. That may be an outgrowth of the lack of coordination among groups &#8211; Slack is historically great for communicating within teams, but starts to fall apart for cross-team coordination, with the endless proliferation of channels making it impossible to track every initiative. Also, Slack has long been an end-to-end encryption <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2023\/05\/30\/slack_e2ee_protest\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">laggard<\/a>, and there&#8217;s no indication that&#8217;s changed, meaning the company&#8217;s messages aren&#8217;t as secure as they could be &#8211; a potentially big deal when it comes to preserving trade secrets.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Finally, while French-Owen promised not to spill any OpenAI trade secrets, he did let slip one interesting tidbit about the company&#8217;s finances: &#8220;Nearly everything is a rounding error compared to GPU cost.&#8221;\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>No real surprise there, either &#8211; now if only French-Owen would have been willing to talk about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theregister.com\/2025\/05\/21\/ai_energy_consumption_loose_estimates\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">energy footprint<\/a> of a query. We reached out with a number of questions, but he declined to offer further comment. \u00ae<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Thank heavens for former OpenAI engineers inspired to blog about their time at the famously secretive firm, for&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":268056,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3163],"tags":[323,1942,53,16,15],"class_list":{"0":"post-268055","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-artificial-intelligence","10":"tag-technology","11":"tag-uk","12":"tag-united-kingdom"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/114865987089583236","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268055","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=268055"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268055\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/268056"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=268055"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=268055"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=268055"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}