{"id":299160,"date":"2025-07-28T18:40:20","date_gmt":"2025-07-28T18:40:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/299160\/"},"modified":"2025-07-28T18:40:20","modified_gmt":"2025-07-28T18:40:20","slug":"pentagon-unit-seeks-ukraine-like-conditions-for-drone-testing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/299160\/","title":{"rendered":"Pentagon unit seeks Ukraine-like conditions for drone testing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">For most of the firms that participated in a late June drone trial staged by the Defense Innovation Unit in remote Alaska, it was the first time their systems had flown outside of a lab setting. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">The five companies brought drones and radio prototypes <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/07\/15\/jammed-and-confused-alaska-trial-shows-pitfalls-of-fielding-us-drones\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/07\/15\/jammed-and-confused-alaska-trial-shows-pitfalls-of-fielding-us-drones\/\">to a range near the U.S. Army\u2019s Fort Wainright<\/a> to see how they\u2019d fare against simulated electronic warfare systems looking to jam their navigation and command-and-control capabilities. DIU was assessing whether any of them were ready to transition to the military services for further development or fielding. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">With a few exceptions, the lack of field testing showed. While several companies made progress by the end of the four-day test event, they struggled initially to maintain targets and navigate flight routes. Some of that was due to jamming and some of it was because their technology wasn\u2019t as mature as expected. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">That outcome is not unusual for a prototype demonstration, DIU officials told Defense News during the event. In fact, the government team in Alaska wanted to see how the companies responded when the systems failed and whether they could iterate and come back the next day with a better solution. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">That process is vital for both the DOD and the companies, but most small, commercial firms don\u2019t have access to test space where they can learn and refine their products under the types of conditions they might face in the field. That\u2019s a problem for the Defense Department, whose leaders want to field technology \u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/07\/10\/hegseth-calls-for-extensive-reforms-to-pentagon-drone-buying-practices\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/07\/10\/hegseth-calls-for-extensive-reforms-to-pentagon-drone-buying-practices\/\">and drones in particular<\/a> \u2014 from a broader pool of companies and at faster rates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">DIU\u2019s Trent Emeneker, who leads several autonomy projects for the organization and helped facilitate the Alaska testing, said in order to field systems that meet the needs of troops on the ground, DOD needs to change the way it tests in two key ways \u2014 by providing more opportunities for small tech companies to wring out their systems, and staging those tests in the field with military operators.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cIf we want to succeed, we have to embed engineers with warfighters, and we have to be out in the field testing,\u201d he said. \u201cWe have to do it all the time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Commercial access<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Helping DOD get to that \u201call-the-time\u201d testing cadence is a rising priority for DIU. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">In June, it announced a prize challenge called Project G.I., which calls for<a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/06\/03\/pentagon-prize-challenge-seeks-ready-now-uncrewed-systems\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2025\/06\/03\/pentagon-prize-challenge-seeks-ready-now-uncrewed-systems\/\"> \u201cready-now\u201d uncrewed systems<\/a> that can help increase the effectiveness of small military cells operating in low-bandwidth environments with disrupted communications. Companies selected will participate in a live demonstration with military operators and a subset of those will advance for a chance to either receive funding to mature their systems or contracts to deliver capabilities to military units for further testing or prototyping. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">A second effort, DIU\u2019s new Range Strike Group, was launched earlier this summer to take a wholistic look at the testing challenge. Will Ryan, DIU\u2019s autonomy portfolio manager and one of the leaders of the task force, said the group is still in the early phases of defining the problem and formulating ideas for how to address it. From there, it will craft recommendations and identify offices within DOD that are best positioned to move them forward. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Ryan told Defense News that improving test access for a wider swath of companies benefits not only the firms themselves but the Defense Department \u2014 especially as it looks to field technology that both works and can be delivered on faster timelines. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cProviding an opportunity for these companies to assess their products in a contested environment against a notional threat is really valuable, one, for the DOD to assess their product in that way,\u201d he said. \u201cBut it\u2019s also important for the companies to see where they\u2019re succeeding or where they\u2019re falling short so they can make tweaks and have a better product.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">One of the group\u2019s early tasks is to identify the policy hurdles that programs have to clear in order organize an EW test event. DOD has its own policies around spectrum management as do the Federal Aviation Administration and Federal Communications Commission, which require programs to go through an approval process to perform any testing that interferes with GPS or communications signals. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Programs that are testing outside of a military installation also need waivers from the FAA to fly aircraft at distances that extend further than what an operator can see, or beyond the visual line of sight. Some requirements are eased for testing on DOD bases because the airspace around the installations is restricted. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Another challenge: Many military ranges <a href=\"https:\/\/www.c4isrnet.com\/battlefield-tech\/2022\/05\/16\/most-projects-on-pentagons-57b-wish-list-likely-to-stay-unfunded-in-fiscal-2023\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.c4isrnet.com\/battlefield-tech\/2022\/05\/16\/most-projects-on-pentagons-57b-wish-list-likely-to-stay-unfunded-in-fiscal-2023\/\">aren\u2019t equipped with the infrastructure<\/a> to support EW testing \u2014 and if they are, program managers looking to schedule a test have to navigate a slew of policy and safety restrictions to minimize the impact of GPS disruption on nearby cities or towns as well as commercial aircraft. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">DOD\u2019s most advanced ranges, like White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, are in high demand by some of the military\u2019s most complex systems, making it hard for smaller programs and companies to access them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">John Sawyer, a UAS analyst in the Pentagon\u2019s acquisition and sustainment office who helped coordinate the Alaska testing, said all of these challenges add up for programs who don\u2019t have access to significant resources and are running tight schedules. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cIf you\u2019re looking to do it on the cheap with a very minimal budget and you\u2019re looking to do it on an accelerated timeline, it\u2019s tough,\u201d he told Defense News. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Ryan said the Range Strike Group may be able to help find new<a href=\"https:\/\/www.c4isrnet.com\/electronic-warfare\/2023\/10\/13\/us-army-to-build-electronic-warfare-training-ground-at-fort-gordon\/\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.c4isrnet.com\/electronic-warfare\/2023\/10\/13\/us-army-to-build-electronic-warfare-training-ground-at-fort-gordon\/\"> testing locations<\/a> and explore ways to either streamline them or ease them under certain conditions to ease the burden on test organizers. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cIt\u2019s not throwing them away or ignoring them \u2014 it\u2019s how can we streamline them or assume the right amount or risk whatever set of environmental conditions exist. Like here,\u201d he said, referring to the remote Alaska test site, \u201cDo those policies apply as much as they do somewhere that\u2019s closer to New York City?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Location, location<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Knowing it would take time to find the right location for DIU\u2019s recent EW tests, Emeneker started scouting locations for the electronic warfare last summer. He cast a wide net, putting Ukraine at the top of the list.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cThere\u2019s no better place in the world to test,\u201d he said. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Drones have been a major feature of the war and Ukraine\u2019s battle-tested approach to bottom-up development and rapid fielding and iteration is one the U.S. military and its allies want to replicate \u2014 or at least draw lessons from. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Since the early days of the war, well-connected and funded U.S. companies have traveled to the front lines to test their systems against live EW threats and get a better understanding of what capabilities Ukrainian drone operators most needed. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Chris Bonzagni is a former DIU program manager who now runs a defense consulting firm that helps U.S. drone firms test in Ukraine. Since leaving DIU in 2022, he\u2019s traveled to the country many times and seen firsthand how the urgency of war has driven innovation and experience for the military and for the commercial firms that support it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cIn Ukraine, these guys are not afraid to fail and they\u2019re doing it because they have to do it and there\u2019s necessity there,\u201d said Bonzagni, who was on the ground in Alaska supporting EW testing. \u201cThe difference between those guys and here is they have access to ranges and they just do reps and reps and reps and reps. Here, you see how much we have to do to get all the resources.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">However, without support, it\u2019s not feasible for most small firms to navigate the process for in-country testing, Bonzagni told Defense News. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cThe logistics are hard to get in,\u201d he said. \u201cThe well-capitalized startups that can invest that time and invest that equipment are able to do so and the smaller startups are definitely prohibited.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Bonzagni said this is an area where the Defense Department could help create a process to send firms to Ukraine, but the U.S. military has long been wary of formal involvement. Following President Donald Trump\u2019s election to his second term last November, the growing political strain between the incoming administration and the Ukrainian government has made it harder.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">For DIU, that meant the odds of getting the approvals to stage DOD-sponsored testing in Ukraine grew slimmer and ultimately wasn\u2019t feasible, Emeneker said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">His team explored other international locations, but the flight and spectrum restrictions there are similar to those in the U.S.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">So, DIU opted for Alaska, which Emeneker said is one of the few suitable domestic options for EW testing. It\u2019s remote, which means there are fewer concerns about signal disruption impacting nearby cities. And its long summer days, bringing nearly 21 hours of daylight in late June, make room for early morning testing that can extend well into the evening testing. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">DIU and other Pentagon offices coordinated with the Army\u2019s 11th Airborne Division, who supported the testing and provided the EW effects, for help scheduling the tests and getting the appropriate waivers. <\/p>\n<p>Equipment shortfalls<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">During the first day of testing, as companies conducted baseline flights and the 11th ABN\u2019s EW operators tested their equipment, it became clear that the effectors the unit was equipped with weren\u2019t having the impact DIU had hoped for. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Much of the kit was more than 20 years old, designed to counter threats in Iraq and Afghanistan, not the more high-tech, software-defined systems that modern militaries use today that can shift frequencies and evade detection. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" alt=\"\" class=\"c-image\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/LUXFTBYRQNH3HEKKWKUB4H5SPE.jpg\"  width=\"2106\" height=\"1808\"\/>An operator in the U.S. Army&#8217;s 11th Airborne Division experiments with equipment that can disrupt uncrewed systems&#8217; command-and-control capabilities. (Courtney Albon, Defense News)<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">A lack of suitable test EW equipment is a known issue in DOD. <a href=\"https:\/\/nap.nationalacademies.org\/read\/26150\/chapter\/1#5\" target=\"_self\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/nap.nationalacademies.org\/read\/26150\/chapter\/1#5\">A 2021 report<\/a> from the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine highlighted these concerns. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cMost tests are run against old threat systems, and they do not have the software-defined agile threat systems that would allow testing against more representative threats,\u201d the report found. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Because of limited testing resources, units do their best with the older systems and adapt their tactics to try to make the most of them. That was the case for the 11th ABN, according to Sgt. Peter Spurgeon, an EW operator in the division.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cWe\u2019re trying to take a two-decade-old piece of equipment and tool it to a modern day [threat],\u201d he said. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">By the end of day two, the division showed some improvement, partly because the testing shifted focus from command-and-control effects \u2014 which its equipment wasn\u2019t suited for \u2014 to Global Navigation Satellite System, or GNSS jamming.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Lt. Col. Scott Smith, the division\u2019s director for non-lethal effects, said he saw the operators get better at figuring out which equipment worked best in different scenarios and finding new ways to disrupt frequencies. <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Smith said testing like this is crucial for operators to practice troubleshooting and learn new techniques against a live system. From an advocacy perspective, it also helps raise awareness of the significant equipment gaps and will hopefully create momentum around getting more testing resources to the unit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">Zooming in on failure to push for more funding can be a difficult line to walk, Smith noted, but he pointed to efforts like the Army Transformation Initiative \u2014 which aims to restructure and upgrade the service\u2019s processes and systems \u2014 as a sign that there\u2019s an appetite for improvement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph-sc-1tqpf5s-0 bFwqVI body-paragraph body-paragraph\">\u201cThe Army Transformation Initiative that was recently pushed out, it\u2019s like \u2018Hey, we\u2019ve got to get more agile and more flexible,\u2019\u201d he said. \u201cWe think this fits right in with that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"default__BioWrapper-sc-cy7r53-0 eATlTY a-body2\">Courtney Albon is C4ISRNET\u2019s space and emerging technology reporter. She has covered the U.S. military since 2012, with a focus on the Air Force and Space Force. She has reported on some of the Defense Department\u2019s most significant acquisition, budget and policy challenges.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"For most of the firms that participated in a late June drone trial staged by the Defense Innovation&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":299161,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7654],"tags":[15016,5606,45516,5607,5602,2595,31240,2000,299,110746,9699,657,55631],"class_list":{"0":"post-299160","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-ukraine","8":"tag-circulated-c4isrnet","9":"tag-circulated-defense-news","10":"tag-defense-innovation-unit","11":"tag-defense-news","12":"tag-dn-dnr","13":"tag-drones","14":"tag-electronic-warfare","15":"tag-eu","16":"tag-europe","17":"tag-ew-testing","18":"tag-training","19":"tag-ukraine","20":"tag-unmanned"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/114932326367171156","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/299160","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=299160"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/299160\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/299161"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=299160"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=299160"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=299160"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}