{"id":422987,"date":"2025-09-14T06:10:22","date_gmt":"2025-09-14T06:10:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/422987\/"},"modified":"2025-09-14T06:10:22","modified_gmt":"2025-09-14T06:10:22","slug":"groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point-bella-caledonia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/422987\/","title":{"rendered":"Groypers, Charlie Kirk and a new Turning Point \u2013 Bella Caledonia"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If you didn\u2019t know who Charlie Kirk was until this week, you probably don\u2019t know who Nick Feuntes is. You should.<\/p>\n<p>Having instantly and desperately labelled the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk as a far-left fanatic, or a trans activist, MAGA America is coming to terms with the fact that he is a white Christian from an ultra-Conservative Republican family with links to the Groyper movement.<\/p>\n<p>The Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, even said, disappointedly: \u201cI was praying that it was an immigrant.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2018It\u2019 was not. To get an insight into Tyler Robinson\u2019s motives is to get inside the dark world of America\u2019s far-far right, a world of memes and internecine warfare. It\u2019s an exploration that defies the myth of the completely unified far-right, but also points that things could get still-darker.<\/p>\n<p>Tyler Robinson is a Groyper, the far-right internet movement led by Nick Fuentes which believes people like Charlie Kirk to be too liberal. Robinson dressed up as <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pepe_the_Frog\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pepe<\/a> \u2013 the comic book character appropriated by the far-right \u2013 for Halloween. The stuff scratched into the bullets all refer to rightwing video games and groyper imagery, this is not \u201ctrans or leftist ideology\u201d.\u00a0 In America\u2019s post-fact society, it probably doesn\u2019t matter, but it looks highly likely that MAGA\u2019s enemy is to their right.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"102543\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/2025\/09\/13\/groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point\/g0qszuoxsaaf3kz\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0qsZuoXsAAf3kZ.jpeg\" data-orig-size=\"900,637\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"G0qsZuoXsAAf3kZ\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0qsZuoXsAAf3kZ-600x425.jpeg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0qsZuoXsAAf3kZ.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"637\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0qsZuoXsAAf3kZ.jpeg\" data- class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-102543 lazyload\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Groypers are a movement that promotes white nationalist ideals, including opposition to immigration, advocacy for a \u201cChristian America,\u201d and virulent criticism of multiculturalism, globalism, and Jewish influence in politics and media.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"102542\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/2025\/09\/13\/groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point\/screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x-com\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x.com_.jpeg\" data-orig-size=\"819,839\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x.com\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x.com_-586x600.jpeg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x.com_.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"839\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Screenshot_13-9-2025_141258_x.com_.jpeg\" data- class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-102542 lazyload\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Fuentes so-called \u201cGroyper Army\u201d, which had been waging the \u201cGroyper Wars\u201d against mainstream Republicans, including specifically Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA represents the dregs of the \u2018always online\u2019 world of radicalised young men. But it would be foolish to underestimate its influence and potential.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"102544\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/2025\/09\/13\/groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point\/g0p8w7famaaxqsu\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7faMAAXQsU.jpeg\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1867\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"G0p8W7faMAAXQsU\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7faMAAXQsU-347x600.jpeg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7faMAAXQsU-592x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"592\" height=\"1024\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7faMAAXQsU-592x1024.jpeg\" data- class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-102544 lazyload\"\/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"102545\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/2025\/09\/13\/groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point\/g0p8w7yaaaa3j6u\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7yaAAA3J6U.jpeg\" data-orig-size=\"1080,2089\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"G0p8W7yaAAA3J6U\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7yaAAA3J6U-310x600.jpeg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7yaAAA3J6U-529x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"529\" height=\"1024\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0p8W7yaAAA3J6U-529x1024.jpeg\" data- class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-102545 lazyload\"\/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Who is Nick Fuentes?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Fuentes is a white supremacist whose views mix extreme misogyny, homophobia, incelism, and anti-semitism. Multiple sources describe him as a neo-Nazi [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/world\/americas\/us-politics\/nick-fuentes-kanye-trump-apology-b2470199.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Neo-Nazi Trump dinner guest Nick Fuentes laments Kanye\u2019s antisemitism apology<\/a>]. He may be best known for his support for Trump and his infamous tweet on the night of Trump\u2019s election: \u201cYour body, My Choice.\u201d As Moira Donegan explained [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2024\/nov\/13\/your-body-my-choice-maga-men\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u2018Your body, my choice\u2019: what misogynistic Trump supporters feel about sexual power]<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThe Trump campaign positioned itself as a champion of a hierarchical gender order, aiming to restore men to a place of wrongfully deprived supremacy over women. Many of his voters cast their lot in with Trump hoping that he would do just that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Now, after Trump\u2019s victory, some of his supporters have adopted a slogan which neatly joins the movement\u2019s twin projects of forced sex and forced pregnancy: \u201cYour body, my choice.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cYour body, my choice,\u201d was coined by the far-right, pro-Nazi internet troll and Trump dinner guest Nick Fuentes on the night of the election. \u201cYour body, my choice,\u201d Fuentes tweeted. \u201cForever.\u201d It\u2019s a taunting inversion of the pro-choice slogan \u201cmy body, my choice\u201d, meant to assert women\u2019s autonomy: instead, \u201cyour body, my choice\u201d presents women\u2019s full citizenship and freedom as laughable, asserting, in gleeful terms, the male supremacy that will now carry for the force of policy and law under a new Trump administration.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Fuentes attended the 2017 <a title=\"Unite the Right rally\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Unite_the_Right_rally\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">white supremacist rally in Charlottesville<\/a>, (one of the\u00a0\u201cvery fine people\u201d) and was also an attendee and speaker at events preceding the\u00a0January 6 United States Capitol attack. His dinner meeting with Donald Trump and Kanye West was widely condemned. Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League which campaigns against bigotry and antisemitism, condemned Trump\u2019s meeting with Fuentes and expressed shock at the development. \u201cNick Fuentes is among the most prominent and unapologetic antisemites in the country,\u201d Greenblatt\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/11\/25\/us\/politics\/trump-nick-fuentes-dinner.html\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told the New York Times<\/a>. \u201cHe\u2019s a vicious bigot and known Holocaust denier who has been condemned by leading figures from both political parties here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"102546\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/2025\/09\/13\/groypers-charlie-kirk-and-a-new-turning-point\/g0tndkewqaarvep\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0tndkEWQAArVeP.jpeg\" data-orig-size=\"1290,1254\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"G0tndkEWQAArVeP\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/bellacaledonia.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0tndkEWQAArVeP-600x583.jpeg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0tndkEWQAArVeP-1024x995.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"995\"  src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/G0tndkEWQAArVeP-1024x995.jpeg\" data- class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-102546 lazyload\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Fuentes\u2019 world is one that was previously hidden from view, in the dank recesses of the internet. But even though it has now spilled into the mainstream, it remains incomprehensible to most outside its codes and signifiers.<\/p>\n<p>One characteristic of this world is the online ability to \u2018swarm\u2019 against anyone considered its opponents. As the authors of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dogsection.org\/product\/post-internet-far-right\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Post-Internet Far Right<\/a> have noted:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis capacity of the swarm \u2013 to be weaponised against its leaders, particularly its less explicitly radical ones \u2013 has been clearest in the case of \u2018Groyping\u2019, a tactic that sprang up around white nationalist content creator Nick Fuentes and his attempt to influence the mainstream conservative movement. \u2018Groypers\u2019 made interventions at the rallies of Turning Point USA, an astroturfed conservative movement, where besuited white nationalists asked leading questions on Zionism, tolerance of homosexuality, and other issues of importance for the far right.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe aim is to expose the contradictions within conservatism and humiliate the speaker by tying him in knots. The intention for Groypers is to open the (mostly) one-way trap door from conservatism to fascism. The tactic is similar to one used by The League of Empire Loyalists, a group established in the 1950s in defence of the British Empire, who practiced the same kind of interventions at right-wing or otherwise establishment events.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>A Post-Trump Dystopia<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The revelations about the reality of Kirk\u2019s killer \u2013 rather than the imagined and projected paranoid one \u201d \u2013 \u201cI was praying that it was an immigrant\u201d \u2013 means there\u2019s less talk of a \u2018civil war\u2019 today. But if the horrific events show a glimpse into MAGA and America\u2019s neo-Nazi subculture, it\u2019s also a sobering insight into what might come next. Imagining a political regime worse than that of Donald Trump may seem ridiculous, even obscene, but that\u2019s the world we\u2019re in. One scenario pictures Trump\u2019s reign giving way to a JD Vance succession.<\/p>\n<p>Richard Hanania has charted how the Overton Window of America\u2019s far-right continues to travel right, without a threshold. He calls this the \u2018Based Arc of Conservatism\u2019, by which he means \u201cThe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.richardhanania.com\/p\/the-based-ritual\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Based Ritual<\/a> involves flaunting your connoisseurship of racism, sexism, and reactionary ideas in various forms\u201d to establish that you are part of the same subculture.<\/p>\n<p>He argues that this trajectory moves ever further rightward, and \u201cit is unrealistic to think that the taboo on antisemitism will be the one to hold.\u201d Following this logic Hanania contends that the only thing that can stop a post-Trump JD Vance succession is a Bannon-Groyper Alliance.<\/p>\n<p>He writes: \u201cI don\u2019t expect most Republican presidential candidates to openly talk about the \u201cJewish question\u201d in 2028, but they will be increasingly friendly to those that do, and dogwhistle to them when they can on issues like Epstein and Israel. Supporters of the Jewish state in Washington have done a good job of holding onto positions of influence at the upper reaches of the GOP even as the ground under them has shifted. But every trend is against them. A movement that makes racism, anti-foreigner paranoia, and conspiracy theories central to its worldview will always exist uncomfortably alongside any form of philosemitism, if it isn\u2019t simply overrun with Jew hate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Hanania argues, depressingly convincingly,\u00a0 that: \u201cThe energy of the party, polling data, and current trends all suggest that Vance can only be attacked by a candidate or movement that is further along on the populist end of the spectrum.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAll of this is what makes the reports that Bannon is likely to run <a href=\"https:\/\/www.the-independent.com\/news\/world\/americas\/us-politics\/steve-bannon-president-2028-jd-vance-b2804022.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">so notable<\/a> Bannon has always done a good job of skating where the puck is going, and shown keen insight into what makes the Republican base tick.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He concludes [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.richardhanania.com\/p\/can-a-bannon-groyper-alliance-derail\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Can a Bannon-Groyper Alliance Derail Vance?<\/a>]: \u201cOne can imagine Bannon playing footsie with the Groypers. Fuentes will attack Vance for having an Indian wife, while Bannon will say he didn\u2019t enact a complete immigration moratorium and is too friendly with\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/RichardHanania\/status\/1956035291682406461\" rel=\"\">transhumanists<\/a> like Elon and Peter Thiel.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a grim prospect, I know. But it shows that while Trump\u2019s ageing, chaotic regime decays and disassembles, the movement beneath it is festering and morphing into something even worse.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"If you didn\u2019t know who Charlie Kirk was until this week, you probably don\u2019t know who Nick Feuntes&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":422988,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[748,393,4884,12,1144,712,16,15,1764],"class_list":{"0":"post-422987","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-news","8":"tag-britain","9":"tag-england","10":"tag-great-britain","11":"tag-news","12":"tag-northern-ireland","13":"tag-scotland","14":"tag-uk","15":"tag-united-kingdom","16":"tag-wales"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/115201168669083923","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/422987","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=422987"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/422987\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/422988"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=422987"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=422987"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=422987"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}