{"id":460537,"date":"2025-09-29T13:46:27","date_gmt":"2025-09-29T13:46:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/460537\/"},"modified":"2025-09-29T13:46:27","modified_gmt":"2025-09-29T13:46:27","slug":"rubens-barrichello-there-was-a-spiritual-link-between-ayrton-and-me-november-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/460537\/","title":{"rendered":"Rubens Barrichello: \u2018There was a spiritual link between Ayrton and me\u2019 November 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Where do you begin when you are interviewing a man who has started 322 Formula 1 grands prix, who has won 11 of them, who has stood on 68 F1 grand prix podiums, who has bagged 14 F1 grand prix pole positions, who has driven 17 F1 grand prix fastest laps \u2013 much of that magnum opus compiled in Ferraris \u2013 yet who, even now, is still racing and indeed still winning? That\u2019s right: in August of this year, at the wheel of a Ford Mustang, 53-year-old Rubens Barrichello won the NASCAR Brazil championship, and, more remarkable still, he did so at his first attempt.<\/p>\n<p>Although he retired from F1 in 2011, he has never stopped racing. In 2012 he dipped a toe into IndyCar \u2013 briefly \u2013 then he embarked on a career in Brazilian Stock Car Pro, which championship he has won twice, in 2014 and 2022, and in which series he continues to race to this day. So where do you start when your interviewee has done so much, so well, over such a long time? There is only one answer: at the beginning. \u201cWhat are your earliest memories of motor sport?\u201d I venture.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello Brazilian NASCAR Velo Citta\u0300\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-Brazilian-NASCAR-Velo-Citta-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Rubens Barrichello is still racing and still winning; he was crowned Brazilian NASCAR champion at Velo Citt\u00e0 in August.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Alamy\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI lived the first 20 years of my life in Interlagos,\u201d he says, smiling via video call from a visibly comfy house, which is in a significantly posher suburb of S\u00e3o Paulo than Interlagos. \u201cI was born in Interlagos \u2013 and I think that if you live in Interlagos the chances are that you\u2019re probably going to race a car, or at least a go-kart, at some point. But, before I ever did that, I used to ride my bicycle to my grandma\u2019s place, and she lived right beside the circuit. Her house had the best view you could get, right between Turns 1 and 2 of the old Interlagos.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo I used to watch the cars going round and round and round, from my grandma\u2019s place, and my dreams were inspired by that early experience. And my uncle, Darcio dos Santos, who was a racing driver [and more recently a race team owner], a very good one actually, a Brazilian champion, was driving in Formula Vee back then, and every time he drove out of the pits he would look up at my grandma\u2019s window and give me a wave if I was there.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy dream was: I want to do that. Then, when I was six years old, my grandpa gave me a kart of my own, and then my dream became: I want to do Formula 1. And, to make that possible, not only my dream but also my obsession then became: I want to develop as a racing driver. And, you know, I\u2019m jumping forward many years now, sorry, but when I first started racing in F1, in 1993, the second grand prix I did was at Interlagos. The circuit was different from how it had been when I was a boy, and a grandstand had been built between the track and my grandma\u2019s house, but I could still just about see her house from my Jordan F1 car, and I could still remember the six-year-old boy I\u2019d been, who\u2019d dreamed big. And now I was living that dream.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"516\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello and Ayrton Senna Imola, 1994\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-and-Ayrton-Senna-Imola-1994-800x516.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Barrichello with Ayrton Senna, Imola, 1994<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat\u2019s an extraordinary story \u2013 and an inspirational one, too,\u201d I reply, but my interlocutor is already in full flow and he does not need another question to trigger further reminiscences: \u201cBecause of the layout of the old Interlagos, I could see almost the whole circuit from my grandma\u2019s house. I could see almost everything. I remember so well the 1980 Brazilian Grand Prix, when I would have been seven. I was watching all those beautiful F1 cars, and I have a particular memory of Mario Andretti\u2019s Essex-sponsored Lotus 81, because he spun off after just one lap right in front of me, and I said to my grandma, \u2018Let me climb down and touch that car,\u2019 but she wouldn\u2019t allow it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThen, when I started karting, my father used to take me to the circuits, and straight away I had a good feeling for what my kart was doing. I used to come back to the pits and say to my father, \u2018Look, Dad, it\u2019s misfiring at the first stage of the throttle opening,\u2019 but he wouldn\u2019t believe that a little kid could be sensitive to something as subtle as that, so he\u2019d pretend to adjust something, but actually do nothing, then tell me he\u2019d fixed it, and I\u2019d go out again then come back in and say, \u2018Dad, nothing\u2019s different, it\u2019s still misfiring.\u2019 He was amazed. I\u2019ve always had that special sense for what a race car is doing \u2013 and, when I got to F1, super-experienced engineers like Gary Anderson [at Jordan] and Ross Brawn [at Ferrari and Brawn] used to say, \u2018Rubens is a superstar at setting up the car.\u2019 And I had that from the very beginning.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull-quote-right\"><p>\u201cAyrton was always very kind to me. He was like a big brother\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cFrom early on I kind of became part of my kart, part of its movement, at one with its tyres, dampers and suspension, and I always wanted to save the tyres, because my father didn\u2019t have enough money to buy new ones. That made me a driver who never wanted to slide a kart \u2013 or, later, a car. I wanted to drive on the limit, not over it, and keep everything straight. And I won five Brazilian karting championships, first as a kid then as a teenager, and one of my rivals was Christian Fittipaldi, and beating someone from that famous Brazilian racing family made a lot of people pay attention. I still enjoy karting now. I qualified this year to race in the masters section of the Karting World Championship in Bahrain. I love it all. I always have. For example, when I was just four, I was taken by my father to watch my uncle race his kart, and one of the other karters in that race was Ayrton Senna da Silva. Ayrton was leading, but he was taken out by another karter. And Ayrton sat in his kart by the side of the track and waited for the guy to come round again, and, when he did, he took the guy out, and after that it was a mess, like a boxing ring. Then Ayrton started to do well, really well, in Europe, and we used to read about him back home. Then when I got to England, later, I bought or rented every VHS tape of his races that I could find, all the races he\u2019d done before F1, and I watched every minute of all of them.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"500\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Eddie Jordan and Rubens Barrichello\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Eddie-Jordan-and-Rubens-Barrichello-800x500.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">flanked by Gary Anderson and Eddie Jordan in Barcelona, 1993<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    DPPI\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cAyrton was always very kind to me. He was like a big brother to me, because he knew I didn\u2019t have a lot of money, so he always did his best to help me. He introduced me to people. He did whatever he could. But he was a hero as well as a big brother. I always used to watch his hands in the videos I\u2019d bought or rented. The way he drove \u2013 wow! \u2013 I was just in love with that. So, yes, from early on, he had a very big impact on my career.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Now seems like an opportune moment to move our conversation on to F1 \u2013 after all, we have 322 grands prix to consider. Rubens warms to the theme. \u201cI was only 20, and I was testing the 1993 Jordan car at Silverstone, the small circuit, and after just 10 laps Gary [Anderson, the team\u2019s technical director], said to me, \u2018Rubens, you\u2019re the guy for me.\u2019 Like I said before, it was the way I was translating what the car was doing. Gary said to the other engineers, \u2018We can really develop this car with this boy.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy first grand prix was at Kyalami, in the Jordan, and I remember the amazing feeling of being in the same driver briefings as people like Ayrton, Alain [Prost], Michael [Schumacher], Gerhard [Berger], and so on. It was so\u2026\u201d \u2013 he hunts for the mot juste, then he settles for \u2013 \u201c\u2026nice. It was so full of energy. But I had a gearbox failure in that race, Kyalami, and another gearbox failure next time out, at home at Interlagos. Then the next race was at Donington, when it was so wet, and I did well, because I was always good in the rain, but then I ran out of fuel. And that weekend I met George Harrison, the Beatle, and he said to me, \u2018You have a musical name, because \u2018bari\u2019 is a musical term, short for \u2018baritone\u2019, and so is \u2018cello\u2019. So that\u2019s why I wanted to come and say hi to you.\u2019 It was an amazing experience for a boy from Interlagos.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull-quote-right\"><p>\u201cEddie Jordan and Jackie Stewart were legends but very different\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The following year, 1994, Barrichello remained with Jordan, but, although he kicked off the season with fourth place at Interlagos and third at Aida \u2013 his first F1 podium \u2013everything went terribly wrong next time out, at Imola. \u201cThere was a spiritual link between Ayrton and me,\u201d he says solemnly. \u201cThere was something that somehow drew us together. I had that enormous accident at Imola, then he had an even worse one. And maybe it was my huge crash, but, although I know I carried his coffin at his funeral, and I\u2019ve seen photographs of me doing that, I have no memory of it. I think I lost a bit of my memory after my massive Imola shunt, but actually I think maybe God was protecting me by blocking those memories, because, always, even straight after he\u2019d died, when I think of Ayrton I think of him smiling.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut, all the same, him not being there in 1994 was hard. I don\u2019t think many people understood how bad it was for me, how much I was suffering. Then I decided, and I said, \u2018I hope that, although Ayrton is no longer with us on track, I hope I can do things on track in his place that will make Brazil proud.\u2019 I wasn\u2019t trying to compare myself to Ayrton, but I wanted to do well for him and for Brazil. And, when we raced in Brazil in 1995, which was the first race of that season, the grief really hit me. When I looked at all the spectators, I said to myself, \u2018Jesus, this is up to me now. Me and [the two Forti drivers] Roberto Moreno and Pedro Diniz are the only Brazilians in the race \u2013 how am I going to manage?\u2019 And someone said to me, \u2018Perhaps you don\u2019t understand how much Senna loved you, but, believe me, he did, and he\u2019s looking after you.\u2019 And although that made me miss him even more, that sadness was an amazing feeling.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Barrichello had a decent \u201995 \u2013 the highlight was second place in Montreal, followed by strong points finishes at Magny-Cours, Spa and the N\u00fcrburgring \u2013 but 1996, still with Jordan, was better still. He often qualified well, and he raced and scored points in Buenos Aires, the N\u00fcrburgring, Imola, Silverstone, Hockenheim, Budapest and Monza. Even so, after four seasons with Eddie Jordan\u2019s eponymous outfit, for 1997 Rubens was on his way to a brand-new team, also eponymous, also founded by a larger-than-life F1 character: Jackie Stewart\u2019s Stewart Grand Prix.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"1994 San Marino Grand Prix, Barrichello\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/1994-San-Marino-Grand-Prix-Barrichello-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">1994 San Marino Grand Prix, Barrichello<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    DPPI\n                <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" alt=\"1994 San Marino Grand Prix, Barrichello 2\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" data-lazy- data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/1994-San-Marino-Grand-Prix-Barrichello-2-scaled.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" alt=\"1994 San Marino Grand Prix, Barrichello 3\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1440\" data-lazy- data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/1994-San-Marino-Grand-Prix-Barrichello-3-scaled.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1466007\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" alt=\"1994 San Marino Grand Prix, Barrichello 4\" width=\"2049\" height=\"1153\" data-lazy- data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/1994-San-Marino-Grand-Prix-Barrichello-4.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\u201cEddie and Jackie were both legends, but they were very different. People didn\u2019t understand Eddie until they knew him. But I knew him, and he and I always hugged each other when we saw each other, right up to the very end of his life. I was the first driver to get him a pole position; I was the first driver to get him a podium; he gave me my F1 chance. Then, at the end of 1996, when he signed Ralf [Schumacher] and Fisico [Giancarlo Fisichella], I started speaking to Jackie. I liked what I heard. He was very serious about his plans for 1997, very focused, and he had Bridgestone tyres [rather than the Goodyears with which Jordan would be persisting for 1997], which appealed to me. And at Monaco, which was only the team\u2019s fifth race, I finished second, beaten by only Michael and Ferrari, and that was fantastic.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd you know something else I\u2019m proud of? Jackie used to take almost all his drivers to Oulton Park, and coach them there, even F1 drivers. But he never did that with me. I had great respect for him \u2013 he was a great man and he\u2019d been a great driver \u2013 and I like to think he had great respect for me, too, and that that\u2019s why he didn\u2019t try to coach me. I think he could see that I wasn\u2019t sliding his F1 car, that I wasn\u2019t trying to force it to do things that it didn\u2019t want to do. I think our driving styles were similar. We both aimed to be smooth \u2013 instinctively. I see it when I sit next to him when he\u2019s driving a road car. I see it when we play golf together.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Barrichello spent three years with Stewart \u2013 1997, 1998 and 1999 \u2013 and, apart from that superb second place at Monaco in 1997, the highlights were three third places, all of them in 1999, at Imola, Magny-Cours and N\u00fcrburgring. \u201cThat\u00a0N\u00fcrburgring race? Well, I was happy for Jackie, of course I was, and also for Johnny [Herbert, who won it for Stewart], but obviously I\u2019d love to have won it. But I don\u2019t mind, because I love Johnny.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps another reason he did not mind was that he knew he was about to bag the biggest prize that any F1 driver can ever dream of: a Ferrari deal. He spent six years at the Scuderia, and he won nine grands prix in rosso corsa. \u201cI started talking to Ferrari at Monaco in 1999,\u201d he recalls. \u201cOne of Jean Todt\u2019s assistants came up to me in the paddock and said, \u2018Mr Todt wants to talk to you,\u2019 and he gave me a piece of paper with a message that said, \u2018Meet me at the Hotel de Paris.\u2019 So I went, on my moped, and I met Jean Todt. He said, \u2018How would you like to drive for Ferrari?\u2019 And I said, \u2018Very much.\u2019 But I knew that the team was built around Michael, so I added, \u2018But only as long as there\u2019s nothing in my contract that says that I have to give way to Michael. But, yes, if you want a serious racing driver, someone who\u2019s going to race to win for you, then, yes, I\u2019d absolutely love to do that.\u2019<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Jackie Stewart Nu\u0308rburgring in 1999 Johnny Herbert Rubens Barrichello\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Jackie-Stewart-Nurburgring-in-1999-Johnny-Herbert-Rubens-Barrichello-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Tartan army: Stewart Grand Prix\u2019s sole win was at the N\u00fcrburgring in 1999; Johnny Herbert finished first, Barrichello was third<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey gave me a contract, and it was written that way. There was nothing in it about me having to give way, or having to obey team orders, or having to be number two to Michael. So I signed it. I knew that Michael was a superhero, I knew that Michael was something special, and I knew that I was just the boy from Interlagos who\u2019d always dreamed big. But I was excited, because I wanted to be given a chance against the very best, and, according to my contract, that\u2019s what I now had. What I didn\u2019t know, but I found out later, was that all those clauses were in Michael\u2019s contract, even though they weren\u2019t in mine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor him to be number one, do you mean?\u201d I suggest.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes. Yes, exactly. So many times when I was looking good they told me to drop the revs, when there was no need for me to drop the revs, and other things like that. So many times I would have been able to do better, to win more races. OK, Michael was probably better than me, but he was probably better than everyone. But how much better than me was he? We\u2019ll never know.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"2000, Rubens Barrichello Ferrari at the Nu\u0308rburgring F1-2000\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/2000-Rubens-Barrichello-Ferrari-at-the-Nurburgring-F1-2000-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">In 2000, Barrichello made his dream move to Ferrari \u2013 here at the N\u00fcrburgring driving the F1-2000; his first F1 victory was weeks away<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo all I can say is that nine grand prix wins for Ferrari, in that situation, is pretty good, but I know that no one will give a damn about that except me. It\u2019s the same as: no one will ever give a damn about the fact that Ayrton was brilliant at Donington in 1993, of course he was, but I went from 12th on the grid to fourth place on lap one while he was going from fourth on the grid to first place on lap one. People see what they see, but I know what I did, and I\u2019m proud of it, and I hope that my sons and their kids will always be proud of it, too.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAlso, at Ferrari, I was always the one who developed the car, much more than Michael did. I was the one who tested the tyres, who tested the suspension options, and I loved that, and the engineers loved it too, and the fact that I was good at that meant that there was actually a lot of harmony in the team.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow did you get on with Michael?\u201d I ask.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMichael often stayed with me when we raced in Brazil,\u201d he begins. \u201cHe liked hanging out with me and my friends in Brazil. But he was always a little reserved, always holding something back, unless he\u2019d had a drink. If he\u2019d had a drink, he used to open up a bit more, and then he used to say to me, \u2018Rubens, you\u2019re bloody good, you know. You\u2019re bloody quick.\u2019 But even then, even if he\u2019d had a drink, if you tried to go deeper, to ask something more personal, he\u2019d change the subject. But, even so, when we were talking like that, perhaps a little tipsy, I felt that he wanted \u2013 no, maybe even needed \u2013 to say a little more. But he always stopped himself. That was Michael. He was a very private person.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull-quote-right\"><p>\u201cYou have to remember that Michael wanted to win at all costs\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Michael Schumacher is an enigma. Was he one of the greatest drivers in the history of our sport? Yes, he was, undoubtedly. But, equally, there is mystery around him, and that mystery will surely never now be unravelled, owing to the diminished situation in which he now exists. Nonetheless, although his abilities were god-like, there was also something of the devil about him. He was sometimes vicious on track, unnecessarily so. \u201cWhy?\u201d I ask.<\/p>\n<p>There is a pause. \u201cOK, look, I\u2019m not saying that he was bad. I\u2019m not saying that at all. I\u2019m just saying that he and I were different\u2026\u201d \u2013 there is another pause, a longer one this time \u2013 \u201c\u2026but, you know, on the day that those guys [Michael and his brother Ralf] lost their mom [April 20, 2003], when we were at Imola, they were first and second on the grid, and they raced each other hard. Well, that didn\u2019t feel right to me. That could have ended in tears. There\u2019s a time and a place for two brothers to race each other hard, and maybe that wasn\u2019t it.\u201d For the record, they finished first (Michael) and fourth (Ralf). Rubens was third.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"533\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello Kart racing in Florianapolis, 2006\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-Kart-racing-in-Florianapolis-2006-800x533.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Kart racing in Florianapolis, 2006<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cLook, I\u2019m not saying they were wrong. I\u2019m just saying that that\u2019s not the way I\u2019d act if it was my mother and my brother. But you have to remember that Michael wanted to win at all costs \u2013 at any cost perhaps. That was just the way he was. At Hungaroring in 2010, when he was in a Merc and I was in a Williams, he gave me no room, no room at all. We\u2019ve all had loads of opportunities to do something like that on track, something\u2026\u201d \u2013 again he searches for the right word, and I fancy he selects a softer adjective than the one that perhaps he first had in mind \u2013 \u201c\u2026silly. But I didn\u2019t do that stuff. That just wasn\u2019t my way. And I wanted \u2013 and I want \u2013 my sons to know that that isn\u2019t how I race, and I want them to race the way I did, and I do. You can have all the trophies in the world but they\u2019re worth nothing if you don\u2019t race with\u2026\u201d \u2013 again he pauses for thought \u2013 \u201c\u2026dignity. So, to sum it up, Michael was a supernaturally gifted driver, but sometimes he was a bit too ruthless, and he was a very nice person, but he was even nicer if he had a glass of good red wine in his hand. I wish he was able to respond, to give his opinion, but very, very sadly he isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLet me tell you this. One time I met Michael\u2019s son Mick at a restaurant in Brazil. We had a really lovely chat and I got the feeling that he kept expecting me to ask him details about Michael\u2019s physical condition, but I decided not to. I decided not to because I know how private Michael always was. And at the end of the evening, Mick looked me in the eyes, and he said, \u2018Can you tell me something funny about you and my dad?\u2019 And I told him a story about Michael, Ross and me getting tipsy together at the Montana Restaurant in Maranello, and we lost Ross. We just lost him. Suddenly he wasn\u2019t there any more. And when we looked for him, with our driver driving us, we found him walking on his own in the middle of nowhere, still a few kilometres from his house. And Mick laughed, he hugged me and we said goodbye.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I figure that that seems as good a place as any to curtail my Schumacher enquiries, but Rubens wants to add a few more adjacent thoughts: \u201cMaybe I should have won more races in my F1 career. Maybe I could have done, if I\u2019d behaved differently. But so what? The best time I\u2019ve ever had in my racing life was when I won the Brazilian Stock Car Pro championship in 2022, with my sons on the podium with me. That\u2019s the kind of thing that matters to me most.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Michael Schumacher at the 2010 Hungarian GP\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Michael-Schumacher-at-the-2010-Hungarian-GP-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Brush with Michael Schumacher at the 2010 Hungarian GP<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>In 2006, 2007 and 2008, Barrichello raced for Honda\u2019s F1 team. The stats reveal that they were not great seasons for him: 53 grand prix starts; one grand prix podium (Silverstone 2008). Towards the end of that final year, 2008, the world was becoming ever more seriously mired in global financial crisis, and the board members of multinational automotive corporations such as Honda were beginning to feel mighty nervous. Subaru and Suzuki withdrew from the World Rally Championship, and Kawasaki ditched MotoGP. In December 2008 Honda pulled the plug on its F1 team and it appeared that Barrichello, and his team-mate Jenson Button, would be left high and dry.<\/p>\n<p>We now know that what happened was the opposite of that. Ross Brawn and Nick Fry bought the team for \u00a31, which price looked even keener when you factored in that Honda had committed to cover any redundancy payments, effectively giving Brawn and Fry a free Formula 1 team, fully functioning, unencumbered by financial baggage. Better still, thanks to something called a double diffuser, which Williams and Toyota also adopted but Brawn mastered better than their two partners in that technical jiggery-pokery, compliant as it was with the letter if not the spirit of the regulations, the Brawn BGP 001 was a winner straight out of the box.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"1067\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello Kyalami, age 20, 1993\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-Kyalami-age-20-1993-800x1067.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">First F1 race, Kyalami, age 20, 1993<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    DPPI\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cDuring the winter of 2008-2009 I had no idea whether or not the team was going to survive,\u201d Rubens remembers. \u201cNo one did. Even so, I kept in touch with Ross often, calling him twice a week, and I trained like crazy in the gym. I wanted to be ready \u2013 just in case Ross\u2019s and Nick\u2019s plans came through. And in the end they did, I flew to England, I signed a contract \u2013 for just four races at first, with much less money than before \u2013 and we went down to Barcelona to test the car. After that test I hugged Jenson and he hugged me, because we knew something magical had happened. We knew our car was a winner.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pull-quote-right\"><p>\u201cI hugged Jenson and he hugged me. We knew our car was a winner\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>For Rubens, however, the same trouble that he had encountered with Honda in 2006 \u2013 brake pads that did not suit his braking approach \u2013 now prevented him from matching Button\u2019s early season speed. His results in the first seven grands prix of the year were second, fifth, fourth, fifth, second, second, and DNF \u2013 pretty good \u2013 but Jenson won six of those races, missing out only in Shanghai, where he finished third.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut when I finally solved my brake pad issue, I was faster than Jenson, and in the second half of the year I won in Valencia and Monza, whereas he never won at all. But by that time it was too late for me to challenge him for the world championship because Red Bull and McLaren had come on well and they were winning almost all the races by then. It is what it is. But I was pleased for Jenson when he became world champion, and I was absolutely delighted for the team.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"960\" width=\"800\" alt=\"2002 Hungarian GP, Rubens Barrichello Michael Schumacher\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/2002-Hungarian-GP-Rubens-Barrichello-Michael-Schumacher-800x960.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">A Ferrari 1-2 at the 2002 Hungarian GP, with Barrichello winning from pole; Schumacher was just 0.4sec behind at the finish<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Grand Prix Photo\n                <\/p>\n<p>And what of Barrichello\u2019s final two seasons in F1, 2010 and 2011, with Williams? \u201cWhat took me there was two things: first, the story of someone, Frank [Williams], who was fantastically courageous, and, second, the certainty that there wouldn\u2019t be team orders. Because at Ferrari I\u2019d had team orders, and even at Brawn it had been clear that, once Jenson had started the season so well, Ross wanted him to do the winning rather than me, to secure the drivers\u2019 world championship as well as the constructors\u2019 world championship. But Williams was a disappointment to me because when I got there it soon became clear that it wasn\u2019t Frank in charge. Even so, I enjoyed the first year, 2010, with Nico [H\u00fclkenberg], but the second year, 2011, with [Pastor] Maldonado, well, they needed money, which is why they hired him, and it all got very political. I\u2019d like to have had one more year with Williams, but they chose Maldonado and Bruno [Senna] for 2012. As I say, they needed money. It would have been my 20th season in F1, which would have been cool.\u201d He shrugs, then smiles.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"534\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello the Williams man, 2011\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-the-Williams-man-2011-800x534.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Barrichello the Williams man, 2011<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Getty Images\n                <\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut I\u2019m a happy man,\u201d he continues. \u201cI love my family, I love my racing even more than I did when I was younger, and I\u2019m so grateful that I\u2019m not only still racing but also still competitive. My sons are both racing \u2013 \u2018Dudu\u2019 [he means Eduardo] in WEC this year and \u2018Fefo\u2019 [he means Fernando] in Euroformula Open and Formula 3 this year. They\u2019re both doing well. I have my dogs, too, and they\u2019ve all got names related to racing. So I have Enzo [Ferrari], Skip [Barber] and Stocky [stock cars]. I love music and when my friends come to my house, we all sing together. And I\u2019ve even learned something from Michael: the love of good red wine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"450\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello with Brawn in 2009\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-with-Brawn-in-2009-800x450.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">With Brawn in 2009 \u2013 an opportunity missed?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Grand Prix Photo\n                <\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"800\" width=\"800\" alt=\"Rubens Barrichello with son Eduardo and Fernando, Sa\u0303o Paulo\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=\" http:=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Rubens-Barrichello-with-son-Eduardo-and-Fernando-Sao-Paulo-800x800.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-image-text\">Best time \u2013 with sons Eduardo, left, and Fernando, S\u00e3o Paulo<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-description\">\n                    Alamy\n                <\/p>\n<p><strong>Born: 23\/05\/1972, S\u00e3o Paulo, Brazil<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>1978<\/strong> Begins karting in S\u00e3o Paulo.<\/li>\n<li><strong>1990<\/strong> Wins Formula Opel Lotus Euroseries \u2013 six wins from 11 races.<\/li>\n<li><strong>1991<\/strong> Wins British Formula 3 title.<\/li>\n<li><strong>1993-96<\/strong> At 20, becomes F1 driver with Jordan; one podium \u2013 1994 at Aida, Japan<\/li>\n<li><strong>1997-99<\/strong> Switches to Stewart. Second at Monaco in \u201997; three third places in \u201999, including team 1-3 at the N\u00fcrburgring.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2000-05<\/strong> Hits his stride at Ferrari as team-mate of Michael Schumacher. Nine F1 wins; second in drivers\u2019 standings in 2002 and \u201904 but only eighth in \u201905.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2006-08<\/strong> Joins Honda; fails to score any points in 2007 for first time in F1 career; single podium in 2008 at Silverstone.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2009<\/strong> Team-mate to Jenson Button at Brawn; chance of an F1 world title missed. Wins in Valencia and Monza.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2010<\/strong>-11 With Williams but unimpressed. Best result: fourth, Valencia, 2010.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2012<\/strong> IndyCar with KV Racing \u2013 12th; starts Stock Car Pro racing in Brazil \u2013 wins title in 2014 and \u201922. Still in series today.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2017<\/strong> Le Mans 24 Hours: 11th overall.<\/li>\n<li><strong>2025<\/strong> Wins NASCAR Brasil Series at 53.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Where do you begin when you are interviewing a man who has started 322 Formula 1 grands prix,&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":460538,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4103],"tags":[4199,707,4200,79,16,15],"class_list":{"0":"post-460537","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-f1","8":"tag-f1","9":"tag-formula-1","10":"tag-formula1","11":"tag-sports","12":"tag-uk","13":"tag-united-kingdom"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/115287895922262118","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/460537","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=460537"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/460537\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/460538"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=460537"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=460537"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=460537"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}