{"id":469903,"date":"2025-10-03T01:55:16","date_gmt":"2025-10-03T01:55:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/469903\/"},"modified":"2025-10-03T01:55:16","modified_gmt":"2025-10-03T01:55:16","slug":"ex-cdc-director-talks-about-why-she-was-fired","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/469903\/","title":{"rendered":"ex-CDC director talks about why she was fired"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"figure__image\" alt=\"Susan Monarez poses for a portrait leaning on a wooden bridge with an old stone building behind her\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/d41586-025-03179-1_51502938.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"figure__caption u-sans-serif\">Susan Monarez was fired from her role as director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after refusing to strip staff members of their jobs.Credit: Alyssa Schukar for Nature<\/p>\n<p>When <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-03014-7\" data-track=\"click\" data-label=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-03014-7\" data-track-category=\"body text link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Susan Monarez<\/a> took the helm of the beleaguered US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in late July, she had her work cut out for her. Public trust in the agency had dropped considerably since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. And US health secretary <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-00439-y\" data-track=\"click\" data-label=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-00439-y\" data-track-category=\"body text link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Robert F. Kennedy Jr, who oversees the CDC<\/a>, had called the agency a \u201ccesspool of corruption\u201d that needed to be fundamentally rebuilt.<\/p>\n<p>Less than a month into Monarez\u2019s tenure, US President Donald Trump fired her. She had lost the trust of Kennedy, who only a month earlier had said he had \u201cfull confidence\u201d in her ability to lead the agency and that she had \u201cunimpeachable scientific credentials\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>This conflict spilled into public view when each presented their version of events to US senators at separate hearings on Capitol Hill in Washington DC. Monarez was dismissed, she said, for refusing to fire top scientists at the agency or pre-approve vaccine recommendations without first considering the relevant scientific data. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-02845-8\" data-track=\"click\" data-label=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-02845-8\" data-track-category=\"body text link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kennedy testified that Monarez had told him that she wasn\u2019t trustworthy<\/a>, so he ousted her.<\/p>\n<p>Kennedy had also told Monarez that CDC employees were \u201ckilling children and they don\u2019t care\u201d, were \u201cbought by the pharmaceutical industry\u201d and \u201cforced people to wear masks and social distance like a dictatorship\u201d, she testified. These alleged comments came after a deadly shooting at the CDC headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia, soon after she became director. The gunman, who targeted the campus to protest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-021-00290-x\" data-track=\"click\" data-label=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-021-00290-x\" data-track-category=\"body text link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">COVID-19 vaccines<\/a>, killed police officer David Rose and shattered some 150 windows. <\/p>\n<p>The past few months, Monarez says, have included both \u201cthe highlights of my professional career\u201d and the \u201cabsolute worst days of my life\u201d. In an exclusive interview \u2014 her first since she became CDC director \u2014 she tells Nature about the consequential decisions that cost her the job and what\u2019s next for public health in a politicized world.<\/p>\n<p>The CDC director is an \u201cinherently political position, but that doesn\u2019t mean that it has to be politically compromised\u201d, says Monarez, who is an immunologist and microbiologist. \u201cThe CDC is far too important to just give up on.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Before our call, you sent me a photo that seems to be of you as a child with your father and siblings sitting on a tractor with a barn in the background. What was that about?<\/p>\n<p>I grew up in rural America, in a family that didn\u2019t have many resources \u2014 my dad was a dairy farmer. You live without expecting to have the privileges and material possessions that so many people have. We just knew that you worked hard. You got up early and you treated people with kindness. We lived at or below the poverty line for a long time.<\/p>\n<p>My parents, they\u2019re still alive, thankfully. But they\u2019ve never been wealthy, and they don\u2019t have the advantages of immediate access to high-quality health care, and so I see them still struggling today. When we\u2019re talking in Washington DC, we have to remember that there are millions and millions of Americans like my parents. We can\u2019t leave them behind.<\/p>\n<p>Before the CDC, you worked at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-023-00817-4\" data-track=\"click\" data-label=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-023-00817-4\" data-track-category=\"body text link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health<\/a> (ARPA-H), a government agency supporting high-risk, high-reward biomedical research. How did that work inform your priorities for CDC?<\/p>\n<p>So much of what we built at ARPA-H was free from all of the bureaucratic impediments. We gave ourselves permission to ask: \u2018What if we could change the world?\u2019 I wanted to bring that mindset to CDC.<\/p>\n<p>Just eight days into your tenure, there was a deadly shooting at CDC headquarters that terrified many members of your staff. Tell me about that experience.<\/p>\n<p>The first week was probably one of the highlights of my entire professional career \u2014 meeting hundreds of CDC employees who wanted to make a difference and change the world. I got on the plane to come back to [Washington] DC. And I finally got WiFi just before we landed, and all these texts had started coming through: \u2018Something\u2019s happening here, we\u2019re hearing there\u2019s a shooter.\u2019 <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-025-03014-7\" class=\"u-link-inherit\" data-track=\"click\" data-track-label=\"recommended article\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"recommended__image\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/d41586-025-03179-1_51459098.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p class=\"recommended__title u-serif\">Three ways ex-CDC chief says that Trump team is sidelining science<\/p>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It was the most surreal, painful change between this extraordinary enthusiasm of \u2018we\u2019re going to change the world with the most amazing people\u2019 to \u2018has anyone been killed?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>[As I spoke to more CDC staff,] it looked like most were OK, but highly traumatized, because so many people were literally in the line of fire. <\/p>\n<p>My father \u2014 after we lost the farm \u2014 became a police officer. It was so near and dear to my heart, the willingness of these police officers to sacrifice themselves. I couldn\u2019t stop thinking about Officer Rose losing his life. It could have been my dad. <\/p>\n<p>This wasn\u2019t an abstract, faraway thing. These were real humans who were targeted with real bullets that were not intended for buildings \u2014 they were intended to cause harm. <\/p>\n<p>What do you make of Kennedy\u2019s characterizations of CDC employees, such as his suggestion they have been \u2018bought by the pharmaceuticals industry\u2019?<\/p>\n<p>I did not meet a single human that embodied that rhetoric. They could be making a lot more money [in the private sector].<\/p>\n<p>I am worried about the context that we\u2019re placing on our public-health officials, who just want to help people. To contextualize it any other way is to do them such an extraordinary disservice.<\/p>\n<p>How are we going to incentivize our best and our brightest to contribute to public health, which is thankless? And what happens if we don\u2019t?<\/p>\n<p>You also testified that Kennedy had asked you to pre-approve vaccine recommendations that hadn\u2019t yet been made. Was that the main sticking point for you?<\/p>\n<p>And firing scientists without cause. [At CDC, I] had been with selfless, brilliant, amazing people who just wanted to contribute to wellness. We had already started talking about, \u2018How do we restore public trust?\u2019 because \u2018just trust us\u2019 doesn\u2019t work any more. So it was [against] that backdrop and then being told I had to fire these people without cause that \u2014 as a human, I wouldn\u2019t do that. And as a leader, I wouldn\u2019t do that.<\/p>\n<p>And being asked to commit [wholeheartedly] without evidence \u2014 I would never do that, as a scientist. You have to gather the right data.<\/p>\n<p>[Emily Hilliard, a spokesperson for Kennedy\u2019s agency, the Department of Health and Human Services, said in a statement to Nature last month that Monarez \u201cacted maliciously to undermine the president\u2019s agenda and was fired as a result\u201d. Kennedy conceded, in remarks to Congress, that he had asked Monarez to fire CDC staff members.]<\/p>\n<p>At least ten states say they can no longer trust the CDC and have formed their own alliances, one on the West Coast and one in the Northeast. What do you make of these efforts?<\/p>\n<p>These states are worried about the people who live in their communities. They\u2019re worried about whether they will be able to help to prevent public-health harms. I understand their concerns. It is a reflection of [how much some people can trust] what\u2019s emanating from the federal government.<\/p>\n<p>Isn\u2019t this in some ways playing directly into what this administration is pushing for \u2014 a dismantling of the federal government in favour of states\u2019 rights? Is that compatible with the fundamental principles of public health?<\/p>\n<p>Public health doesn\u2019t respect state boundaries. We do need to find a way to work together. I\u2019ll go back to my own upbringing. The rural community where I grew up could easily be left behind [if access to high-quality healthcare is available in one state but not another] and we don\u2019t want that.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Susan Monarez was fired from her role as director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":469904,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[105,3965,3966,285,1093,70,16,15],"class_list":{"0":"post-469903","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-health","8":"tag-health","9":"tag-humanities-and-social-sciences","10":"tag-multidisciplinary","11":"tag-politics","12":"tag-public-health","13":"tag-science","14":"tag-uk","15":"tag-united-kingdom"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/115307749474371039","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/469903","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=469903"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/469903\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/469904"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=469903"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=469903"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=469903"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}