{"id":473291,"date":"2025-10-04T10:04:10","date_gmt":"2025-10-04T10:04:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/473291\/"},"modified":"2025-10-04T10:04:10","modified_gmt":"2025-10-04T10:04:10","slug":"salah-and-van-dijk-slowing-down-backed-by-data-science-liverpool-opinion-not-lazy-at-all","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/473291\/","title":{"rendered":"Salah and Van Dijk slowing down &#8216;backed by data science&#8217;; Liverpool opinion &#8216;not lazy at all&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Liverpool stars Virgil van Dijk and Mohamed Salah are obviously slowing down; it\u2019s in the data, folks.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, who is calling Manchester United vs Sunderland a relegation six-pointer? Only one of those sides are actually in danger of going down.<\/p>\n<p>And amid all that, it\u2019s worth remembering that this so-called \u2018struggling\u2019 Liverpool squad is still mourning the loss of one of their teammates.<\/p>\n<p>Send your views to <strong>theeditor@football365.com<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Man Utd vs Sunderland \u2013 relegation six-pointer<\/p>\n<p>I overheard a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.football365.com\/manchester-united\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Man United<\/strong><\/a> fan on Saturday describing their match against Sunderland as a relegation six pointer.<\/p>\n<p>Total hyperbole, of course.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, no one really thinks Sunderland are going to be in a relegation battle, do they?<br \/><strong>Neal Boland, LFC, Dublin<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A reply to Conway T17<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.football365.com\/news\/salah-van-dijk-downed-tools-liverpool-nonsense-debunked\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Your mail said it was laziness to suggest Salah and vvd have downed tools because they\u2019ve got new contracts.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll counter that by saying it\u2019s lazy to not read my mail properly. I didn\u2019t say anyone downed tools, I said actual data driven studies show that players give their best performances when playing for a new contract and their worst ones right after they sign a new contract. Why? Well because they\u2019re playing to keep their job so.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not a conscious thing, it because once they\u2019ve signed that contract they become more relaxed. While playing for the new contract there is a lot of pressure because they might not get what they\u2019re asking for so they have to over perform to ensure they get it.<\/p>\n<p>I also didn\u2019t make that same comment about vvd (though it can also be true) I said that vvd doesn\u2019t seem to have realised that he doesn\u2019t have the pace to recover anymore when he messes up and so he should play slightly further back. You can find example in most of our games this season of VVD losing his man and being left behind.<\/p>\n<p>I honestly don\u2019t see how either of those two things are so controversial? One is literally backed by data science and not even an opinion and the other is what happens to all players as they age. I\u2019m not a sentimental person at all, when I look at a player I see who they are now, not what they did for the club in the past. I think sometimes fans fall into the trap of viewing club legends as if they\u2019re always 25 years old.<br \/><strong>Lee<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>For the love of football<\/p>\n<p>Reading emails from\u00a0Jamo from Nairobi and\u00a0Lash, Geneva got me thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Is it better to support the same team as your partner (camaraderie) or a major rival (great pisstaking opportunities for both)?<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d lean towards the former although it does lead to us high-fiving when <a href=\"https:\/\/www.football365.com\/liverpool\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Liverpool<\/strong><\/a> score which, I\u2019m pretty sure, makes\u00a0everyone thinks we\u2019re dicks.<br \/><strong>Aidan, Lfc<\/strong> (Btw thanks Jamo and Lash for your comments. Not sure being nice online will ever take off but appreciate the effort\u2026and you should definitely star in a remake of Tango and Cash)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Ange out<\/p>\n<p>I thought i would write in to give a Forest fan\u2019s perspective given how things are going.<\/p>\n<p>When Ange was appointed, he wasn\u2019t everyone\u2019s choice but like many fans, we did want to give him a chance. I read a lot from Spurs fans and a few pieces on F365 saying how he will be a disaster, the players will start to pick up injuries, there is no real patterns of play apart from running around a lot, we will concede a lot from set pieces and most importantly, will lose a lot of games.<\/p>\n<p>I thought this was a harsh and an almost ungrateful approach from Spurs fans, especially given the trophy he delivered and that the league form was a sacrifice towards delivering this.<\/p>\n<p>Spurs fans (and F365), i apologise and you were 100% right.<\/p>\n<p>The one positive thing i would say about Ange is that the time he has taken to deliver his style of play and principles has been incredibly quick. Unfortunately his style, coaching and tactics are sh*t. Last night pretty much ticked the Ange bingo card \u2013 centre back getting injured, player rushed back after injury and getting injured again, goals conceded from set plays, possession with few chances created. And, again, most importantly, losing a game that should really have been a comfortable win.<\/p>\n<p>There was an F365 piece recently saying that Ange was \u2018speedballing\u2019 his approach and outcome and it was spot on.<\/p>\n<p>Calling for a Manager to lose his job after 6 games is ridiculous but it is clear that the appointment was a mistake and this needs to be corrected before the damage becomes too much.<\/p>\n<p>Marinakis is ruthless, but he\u2019s also very stubborn. I hope the former wins when deciding what to do.<\/p>\n<p>No idea who his replacement will or should be though. Probably Southgate, not sure about that one but he definitely can\u2019t be worse.<\/p>\n<p>Ange out.<br \/><strong>James<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>On Liverpool, death, and how we don\u2019t talk about it<\/p>\n<p>Dear Ed,<\/p>\n<p>One for the mailbox, might be a little long and serious but I do think at some point someone needs to say it\u2026<\/p>\n<p>There is a lot being being written (not-unreasonably) about the odd start to Liverpool\u2019s season with the conclusion generally being reached landing somewhere between \u2018lots of new players is hard\u2019 and \u2018weird innit?\u2019<\/p>\n<p>However I would suggest that we might all be (understandably) having a great big semi-willful blind spot about the real reason, namely that these guys have all just lost one of their team mates in a genuinely tragic way. And the way that we aren\u2019t able to talk about this is a problem.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve probably all read about and then tried to ignore all of the stuff about men\u2019s mental health and the epidemic of male suicide that we\u2019re currently living in the middle of, and it is an epidemic any way you look at it \u2013 up by 30% in the last 10 years, now the leading cause of death for men under 50 and male suicide now counts for 80% of all suicide. And the best, only, way we have of combating this is to be able to talk about bad things that happen when they happen, but we\u2019re crap at it.<\/p>\n<p>Diogo Jota\u2019s death is tragic on many levels, firstly and most obviously to his family, friends and those who knew him and that\u2019s what the Liverpool players are dealing with at the moment. Grief is hard and it comes at you sideways and repeatedly. The idea that the players dealt with his death with one emotional evening at Anfield and then moved on is madness, but we all struggle to talk about the fact that the pain for the players (and fans) is still there and will be for a good while yet.<\/p>\n<p>Their heads aren\u2019t clearly not in it and we have to be able to say that out loud and understand that that\u2019s both really sad but also completely okay and normal (and then, crucially, not murder them for it on social media and in the press).<\/p>\n<p>When the autobiographies come out in a few years time and we learn the real story behind this season it\u2019ll be obvious that the thing affecting the start of this season wasn\u2019t the new formation or Florian Wirtz getting up to the speed of the league, it was, as it clearly is, a group of people struggling with how to cope with a tragedy. And the way we all keep ignoring it in the conversation just shows how far we still have to go in learning to communicate with each other when things go South.<\/p>\n<p>We have to find a way to talk about this stuff lads, and that includes our professional media folk.<\/p>\n<p>RIP Diogo Jota and ASK YOUR MATES IF THEY ARE OKAY \u2013 one of you can save a life this weekend.<br \/><strong>Matt<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Nick Woltemade facts<\/p>\n<p>With his goal on Wednesday night, Nick Woltemade has now scored more champions league goals than Sunderland FC.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chris\u00a0<\/strong><br \/><strong>NUFC<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Laughable Liverpool fans<\/p>\n<p>Brilliant to see all the Pool fans panicking and testing to explain away how awful and lucky they\u2019ve been so far this season. Long may it continue.<\/p>\n<p>At least the \u201cnext year will be our year\u201d banter isn\u2019t that long ago so it should be easy to remember.<br \/><strong>Weldoninhio, BAC<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Liverpool stars Virgil van Dijk and Mohamed Salah are obviously slowing down; it\u2019s in the data, folks. 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